[OSGeo-Discuss] This Thread is Dead (was Re: Comparison between MapServer/OpenLayers and ESRI ArcIMS)

[Bob Basques]

All,

This THREAD will never be dead, only the subject will change (I'm 
afraid.)   :c)

bobb




Bill Thoen wrote:
> Message subjects, like diapers, need to be changed once in a while. 
> Usually for the same reasons, too.
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> Traian Stanev wrote:
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>> However, they (the US govt.) don’t even need a specific legal 
>> provision to spy on data that is hosted outside the US, and they’ve 
>> been doing that since forever…
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>> ;-)
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>> *From:* discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org 
>> [mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] *On Behalf Of *Richard 
>> Desrochers
>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 31, 2009 8:34 PM
>> *To:* rkgeorge at cadmaps.com; OSGeo Discussions
>> *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Comparison between 
>> MapServer/OpenLayers and ESRI ArcIMS
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>> One thing to consider using a cloud approach with Amazon is the 
>> license agreement concerning your data.
>> Under the Patriot Act in the US all data hosted in the US could be 
>> made available to the US government.
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>> Not all corporations are ready to live with that.
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>> Richard
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>> 2009/5/30 Randy George <rkgeorge at cadmaps.com 
>> <mailto:rkgeorge at cadmaps.com>>
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>> Cloud options are looking interesting.
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>> http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/  Windows, Linux, Solaris options
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>> I imagine ESRI license entanglement with virtual servers could be a 
>> problem. But no problem at all with Open Source GIS stacks. No 
>> license to get tangled with load balancing and auto scaling where 
>> servers come and go as needed. Mostly I've seen small business 
>> interest since they tend to take overhead costs more seriously.
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>> It might be useful to include a Cloud based server solution addendum, 
>> because that would be less optimal for an ESRI vendor and could look 
>> good compared to in-house hardware.
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>> Unfortunately, medium and large organizations seem to have budget 
>> allocations already in place for the big ticket approach. But then in 
>> this economy even that could be changing.
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>> AWS now includes Load Balancing and Auto Scaling options as well as 
>> S3 Backup, multiple offsite elastic block store duplication, edge 
>> cache, and elastic IP.
>> http://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2009/05/17/monitoring-auto-scaling-elastic-load-balancing/ 
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>> And for the real bleeding edge http://aws.amazon.com/elasticmapreduce/
>> (Not a selling point to small, medium, or large organizations, unless 
>> academically oriented :-)
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>> rkgeorge
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org 
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>> [mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org 
>> <mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>] On Behalf Of Jason Birch
>> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 5:49 PM
>> To: OSGeo Discussions
>> Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Comparision between 
>> MapServer/OpenLayers and ESRI ArcIMS
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>> I think that it's generally less fear of the unknown or job security 
>> than it is the cost of adding complexity to what is often an already 
>> over-extended support load.  In many cases it just makes sense to 
>> spend $1000 for a server OS that doesn't require additional training, 
>> is easy to get qualified techs for, and "just works" with the 
>> existing systems.  It doesn't matter how easy Linux is; it's one more 
>> thing to keep track of and one more thing to go wrong.
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>> If you want to "win" the open source battle at small organisations 
>> that don't already have OS operating system tendencies, focus on the 
>> application level where you can make a strong business case on a 
>> feature-by-feature level, and with additional arguments about truly 
>> open data being more sustainable and less risky.  Personally I think 
>> that an "open source or bust" attitude is not very pragmatic.  "Sell" 
>> open source software where it is the best tool for the job, but pick 
>> your battles.
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>> Jason
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alex Mandel
>> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 4:25 PM
>> To: OSGeo Discussions
>> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Comparision between 
>> MapServer/OpenLayers and ESRI ArcIMS
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>> That would be fear of the unknown(non gui) and job security at work.
>> Wouldn't want someone else in the org who knows more about running 
>> servers.
>> Maybe you can get them to throw a bone to demo something on a virtual 
>> machine hosted elsewhere(Amazon) just to show how easy it is.
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>> Welcome to the land of small to medium government agencies, etc.
>> The best thing here is showing examples from equivalent groups, of 
>> which there are plenty online now.
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>> Richard Desrochers
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