[OSGeo-Discuss] This Thread is Dead (was Re: Comparison between MapServer/OpenLayers and ESRI ArcIMS)

Tue Jun 2 01:37:37 PDT 2009

Whoahaha!

Bill, excellent quote! I will store this and present it on another
mailinglist as quote of the day.

On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Bob Basques <bob.b at gritechnologies.com>wrote:

> All,
>
> This THREAD will never be dead, only the subject will change (I'm afraid.)
>   :c)
>
> bobb
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> Bill Thoen wrote:
>
>> Message subjects, like diapers, need to be changed once in a while.
>> Usually for the same reasons, too.
>>
>>
>>
>> Traian Stanev wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> However, they (the US govt.) don’t even need a specific legal provision
>>> to spy on data that is hosted outside the US, and they’ve been doing that
>>> since forever…
>>>
>>>
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org [mailto:
>>> discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] *On Behalf Of *Richard Desrochers
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 31, 2009 8:34 PM
>>> *To:* rkgeorge at cadmaps.com; OSGeo Discussions
>>> *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Comparison between
>>> MapServer/OpenLayers and ESRI ArcIMS
>>>
>>>
>>> One thing to consider using a cloud approach with Amazon is the license
>>> agreement concerning your data.
>>> Under the Patriot Act in the US all data hosted in the US could be made
>>> available to the US government.
>>>
>>> Not all corporations are ready to live with that.
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> 2009/5/30 Randy George <rkgeorge at cadmaps.com <mailto:
>>> rkgeorge at cadmaps.com>>
>>>
>>> Cloud options are looking interesting.
>>>
>>> http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/  Windows, Linux, Solaris options
>>>
>>> I imagine ESRI license entanglement with virtual servers could be a
>>> problem. But no problem at all with Open Source GIS stacks. No license to
>>> get tangled with load balancing and auto scaling where servers come and go
>>> as needed. Mostly I've seen small business interest since they tend to take
>>> overhead costs more seriously.
>>>
>>> It might be useful to include a Cloud based server solution addendum,
>>> because that would be less optimal for an ESRI vendor and could look good
>>> compared to in-house hardware.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, medium and large organizations seem to have budget
>>> allocations already in place for the big ticket approach. But then in this
>>> economy even that could be changing.
>>>
>>> AWS now includes Load Balancing and Auto Scaling options as well as S3
>>> Backup, multiple offsite elastic block store duplication, edge cache, and
>>> elastic IP.
>>>
>>> http://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2009/05/17/monitoring-auto-scaling-elastic-load-balancing/
>>>
>>> And for the real bleeding edge http://aws.amazon.com/elasticmapreduce/
>>> (Not a selling point to small, medium, or large organizations, unless
>>> academically oriented :-)
>>>
>>> rkgeorge
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:
>>> discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> [mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org<mailto:
>>> discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>] On Behalf Of Jason Birch
>>> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 5:49 PM
>>> To: OSGeo Discussions
>>> Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Comparision between MapServer/OpenLayers
>>> and ESRI ArcIMS
>>>
>>> I think that it's generally less fear of the unknown or job security than
>>> it is the cost of adding complexity to what is often an already
>>> over-extended support load.  In many cases it just makes sense to spend
>>> $1000 for a server OS that doesn't require additional training, is easy to
>>> get qualified techs for, and "just works" with the existing systems.  It
>>> doesn't matter how easy Linux is; it's one more thing to keep track of and
>>> one more thing to go wrong.
>>>
>>> If you want to "win" the open source battle at small organisations that
>>> don't already have OS operating system tendencies, focus on the application
>>> level where you can make a strong business case on a feature-by-feature
>>> level, and with additional arguments about truly open data being more
>>> sustainable and less risky.  Personally I think that an "open source or
>>> bust" attitude is not very pragmatic.  "Sell" open source software where it
>>> is the best tool for the job, but pick your battles.
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Alex Mandel
>>> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 4:25 PM
>>> To: OSGeo Discussions
>>> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Comparision between MapServer/OpenLayers
>>> and ESRI ArcIMS
>>>
>>> That would be fear of the unknown(non gui) and job security at work.
>>> Wouldn't want someone else in the org who knows more about running
>>> servers.
>>> Maybe you can get them to throw a bone to demo something on a virtual
>>> machine hosted elsewhere(Amazon) just to show how easy it is.
>>>
>>> Welcome to the land of small to medium government agencies, etc.
>>> The best thing here is showing examples from equivalent groups, of which
>>> there are plenty online now.
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Richard Desrochers
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