[OSGeo-Discuss] inspire conference 2013: help with presentation proposal

Fri Mar 15 05:58:47 PDT 2013

Arnulf,

I tend to agree with Margherita that it makes sense to have JRC INSPIRE
Technical Committee members for OSGeo developers dialog partners in the
Pingpong workshop, as it allows for defining a very practical goal for it:
see if and where the Technical Guidelines might be improved.

This is not to say I disagree with your thought that implementors should
take more ownership of it, but maybe this workshop is not the vehicle for
that, as that is a large and unorganized group of people and the workshop
dialog might lose practical goal and direction.

Kind regards
Heikki Doeleman

On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:35 PM, heikki <tropicano at gmail.com> wrote:

> hi,
>
> I've added a section to the wiki to clarify that we're talking about two
> separate events, a presentation and a workshop :
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/INSPIRE_conference_2013#Presentation_and_workshop
> .
>
> Kind regards
> Heikki Doeleman
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Francisco José Peñarrubia <fjp at scolab.es>wrote:
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> Just a few comments about the document.
>>
>> In "Keywords", there are Open Source projects that are not related with
>> OSGeo. As far as I know, NASA Worldwind is not in OSGeo, and gvSIG CE is a
>> fork of the official gvSIG, which is in incubation.
>>
>> About Notes and Goals, I would add something related to How JRC or
>> Inspire can support OSGeo projects (using them, contributing to the
>> communities, or even making some recommendations).
>>
>>  My 2 cents.
>>
>> Best regards.
>>
>> Fran.
>>
>> 2013/3/15 Seven (aka Arnulf) <seven at arnulf.us>
>>
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>>> Madi,
>>> I am pretty sure that "Members of the JRC INSPIRE Technical Committee"
>>> is also sort of "wrong". The JRC is only the "facilitator" for the
>>> "INSPIRE process". They are (and definitely don't *feel*)
>>> "responsible" for INSPIRE. In the end it is the member states who are
>>> responsible for everything and you can't get a hold of them either
>>> because they send people to do something about INSPIRE. Then there are
>>> the SIGs and some companies are also involved in defining the rules,
>>> some get paid, some don't, some want to influence the process so that
>>> they can sell their software and so on. Slippery slopes all over the
>>> place.
>>>
>>> - From all the quotes in this you can easily tell that definition-wise
>>> this is a big mess. And it got me into trouble every single time in
>>> the past ten years that I tried to interact with anybody "responsible"
>>> for INSPIRE.
>>>
>>> My suggestion was and is that those people who have to implement
>>> INSPIRE finally take ownership of it. That is broadly said "INSPIRE
>>> users". But feel free to go ahead as you think fits best.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Arnulf
>>>
>>>
>>> On 15.03.2013 12:08, Margherita Di Leo wrote:
>>> > Hi Arnulf,
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf)
>>> > <seven at arnulf.us <mailto:seven at arnulf.us>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Folks, I really like the idea of the round table but changed some
>>> > wording to amend the expectations for it. This was mainly to the
>>> > effect of avoiding up front misunderstanding which invariably over
>>> > the past years lead to unnecessary friction.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Thank you for that, it sounds way better now. We don't aim to
>>> >> create any friction but to improve the dialog, so smoothing the
>>> >> tone was a good thing IMHO.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > The whole point of INSPIRE is that there is nobody singly
>>> > responsible. It has evolved over time and through the contribution
>>> > of the broadest set of different people from different backgrounds
>>> > and many are not even involved any more. Therefore we cannot really
>>> > talk to "the people responsible for INSPIRE" - there simply are
>>> > none. To avoid having one side of the table empty I changed
>>> > "members of the INSPIRE Technical Committee" to "users involved
>>> > with INSPIRE". Maybe that is too broad, if so please change to
>>> > something else.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Here maybe there was a misunderstanding. With "Members of the
>>> >> INSPIRE Technical Committee" I meant people from JRC working on
>>> >> the implementation of the technical rules, so if you agree I'd
>>> >> change this in: "Members of the JRC INSPIRE Technical Committee".
>>> >> Users involved with INSPIRE are of course welcome as well..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > To the same effect I changed "discussion" (which always results in
>>> > one winner and one loser) to "dialog" (which means that people
>>> > listen to each other and learn from each other).
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> very good.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hope this sits well with you, otherwise feel free to revert to an
>>> > earlier version.
>>> >
>>> > Please note that the Wiki had a hickup when saving two conflicting
>>> > edits, so one intermediate version is raw HTML. I tried to save
>>> > the earlier changes, mainly adding Paolo to the list of
>>> > contributors. Please recheck, if you edited in the past hour or
>>> > so.
>>> >
>>> > Looking forward to seeing some of you at the conference.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Thanks! m
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Cheers, Arnulf
>>> >
>>> > On 14.03.2013 22:14, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
>>> >> Hi Margherita, Jachym.
>>> >
>>> >> Margherita, thanks for the workshop proposal draft. I will
>>> >> review this too.
>>> >
>>> >> Jachym, the abstract review is done on my side. Please have a
>>> >> look.
>>> >
>>> >> Regards, Angelos
>>> >
>>> >> On 03/14/2013 10:41 PM, Margherita Di Leo wrote:
>>> >>> Thank you Jachym. I also prepared the workshop proposal here
>>> >>>
>>> >
>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/INSPIRE_conference_2013#Tennis_table_match:_OSGeo_vs_INSPIRE
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> if you guys could also review this. And, of course, add your names and
>>> >>> affiliations.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Thanks
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Angelos Tzotsos
>>> >>> <gcpp.kalxas at gmail.com <mailto:gcpp.kalxas at gmail.com>>wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Hi Jachym,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I will review the proposal and make additions/corrections.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Regards, Angelos
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On 03/14/2013 07:46 PM, Jachym Cepicky wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Hi,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> can anybody please have a look at the proposal of
>>> >>>> presentation of INSPIRE conference, I've prepared at [1]?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I'm not native speaker, nor do I use the language (English)
>>> >>>> very fluently, so any help mostly welcomed.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I would also like to ask, if someone has the capacity and
>>> >>>> inspiration, that he/she could extend or rewrite completely
>>> >>>> the proposal I've prepared (and add his/her name at the
>>> >>>> top).
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Thanks for help, more work will come if the proposal will be
>>> >>>> accepted
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Jachym
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> [1]
>>> >>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/INSPIRE_conference_2013#Paper_proposal
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >
>>> >>>>
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>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -- Best regards,
>>> >
>>> > Margherita DI LEO Postdoctoral Researcher
>>> >
>>> > European Commission - DG JRC Institute for Environment and
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>>> >
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>>> >
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>>> > position of the European Commission.
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