[OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

Peter Baumann p.baumann at jacobs-university.de
Thu Jun 25 03:30:49 PDT 2015

wise words, will do so :)

On 06/25/15 10:34, Sanghee Shin wrote:
> Dear All, 
> Thank you for all your great opinions, advices and inputs through this mailing
> lists and through to my private mail. I think we’ve discussed enough on this. 
> I agree with Maria and Maxi’s suggestion to have a offline discussion time in
> Seoul. I’ll explore the possibility whether we can have that spaces
> before/during/after FOSS4G Seoul and will report to you. 
> And I also agree with some advices that because my presentation was highly
> dependent on verbal explanation, it not so effective itself to deliver my
> clear intention. I’ll think about how to handle this. 
> Thanks again for great and wonderful inputs. 
> How about having a break for while?
> All the best, 
> Sanghee
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>> 2015. 6. 25., 오전 9:22, Massimiliano Cannata <massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch
>> <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>> 작성:
>> Once again I express my opinion:
>> I think that OSGeo shall express and support a CoC that is respecting
>> diversity in any form, but we don not have the right to censure anything.
>> If something really bad happens than someone will take action based on the
>> agreed CoC.
>> Do we really want to argue about the images and content of anyone presentation? 
>> The community is the best referee of the conduct of its members not a bunch
>> of people deciding what is good or not.
>> And YES, we can discuss it in Seoul to find a way to rise attention to the
>> CoC and discuss more (but friendly and with respect of diversity  ;-) )
>> Maxi
>> 2015-06-25 10:07 GMT+02:00 Pat Tressel <ptressel at myuw.net
>> <mailto:ptressel at myuw.net>>:
>>     I hesitate to step into the "sexism in tech" debate, but...  There may be
>>     some recent events that folks aren't aware of, that may be relevant --
>>     some specifically have to do with conferences.  This list is not R-rated,
>>     so rather than directly describe the relevant events, I'll just give you
>>     search queries that will bring them up:
>>     "PyCon donglegate"
>>     "TechCrunch sexism"
>>     "Pax Dickenson brogrammer"
>>     "GamerGate"
>>     Those are only tips of the iceberg -- they are specific symptoms of a
>>     more general attitude.  I've listed them in order of seriousness.  I
>>     expect that these will get the "that's just PC" objection, but are
>>     threats of rape and murder really just "for fun"?  And if the objection
>>     is that women just just force their way into tech, I have two words for
>>     you:  hiring manager.  And no, not all of us have the resources to start
>>     our own companies.  Venture funding is rarely offered to women.
>>     When I worked as a software engineer for Digital Equipment Corporation
>>     (DEC) in the 90s, the group I was in was half women.  No, not secretaries
>>     and support staff -- engineers.  But there was a difference in attitude,
>>     which one can see in the fact that although DEC ceased to exist in 1998
>>     (sold to Compaq), we *still have reunions* and active social networks. 
>>     The switch to deliberately provoking competition and infighting between
>>     employees, via stack ranking and similar management fads, is exacerbating
>>     the rise of sexism in tech -- there is now an aspect of "us against
>>     them".  Because employment is a zero-sum game, (re)entry of women in tech
>>     would mean fewer positions and less money for men.  (Competing against
>>     other men doesn't trigger the same level of response since men are
>>     already in the pool -- it's the thought of the pool *doubling* that is
>>     causing this fear.)  Since this style of management (stemming from Jack
>>     Welch) is taught in b-schools, it will take some time to turn the ship
>>     around.  But there are some signs of light:  Microsoft recently cancelled
>>     stack ranking, and is making a significant effort to reestablish teamwork
>>     and cooperation.  That took being publicly shamed (see the article in
>>     Vanity Fair, titled ~ "How Stack Ranking Killed Innovation at Microsoft")
>>     and a new CEO (Satya Nadella, replacing Steve Ballmer).
>>     There's also plain old bias.  This research by Google HR is fascinating:
>>     https://www.gv.com/lib/unconscious-bias-at-work
>>     Watch especially where ~ the entire audience, men and women both, fails
>>     the test, right there on camera...
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