[OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

Sun Mar 6 05:27:52 PST 2016

Patrick, I think you are conflating Hackathons and code sprints - a
hackathon is a random collection of cute assignments while Code Sprints are
where a team (or teams) come together to achieve a goal that needs doing
and is easier to solve when a group of developers are in the same room. For
example the recent GeoServer sprint that upgraded the version of wicket
used in GeoServer which is not a sexy project that could be done
incrementally by a single volunteer.

Ian

On 5 March 2016 at 23:21, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) <patrick.hogan at nasa.gov>
wrote:

> Dirk,
>
> In my opinion, a lot of energy is spent on these 'cute' assignments,
> equivalent to a big homework project. They do not represent 'real world'
> working scenarios and rarely produce anything of lasting value aside from
> the exercise, and the exercise itself doesn’t even qualify as an
> environment for expanding skill sets.
>
> It is simply a sprint to an artificial finish line that disappears shortly
> after being crossed. It does not provide results that benefit the future,
> nor typically even expand the participants' skill set in any appreciable
> way. We've got millions of hours invested in these isolated one-off events
> and millions of dollars, without much to show for it.
>
> The clock is ticking on this planet's ability to find a way collaborative
> way forward, while using our competitive instincts to achieve that.
> Encouraging a myriad of crazy races that end up with little that the future
> can use, seems a huge waste of opportunity in applying these aspiring
> minds. They could have been contributing to something that is bigger than
> them, building real-world project-based teamwork skills, and facilitating
> results that the world not only needs, but can actually use.
>
> The Europa Challenge is trying to be just one example of that. If OSGeo
> were serious about supporting that, it would certainly have a very positive
> effect.
>
> Wherever we choose to put our energy, it would be nice to see it
> encouraging real building-blocks and not just momentary muscle-flexing.
>
> -Patrick
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Dirk
> Frigne
> Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2016 5:27 AM
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> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints
>
> Patrick,
>
> You point to an interesting topic. I think there are several types of
> projects, and geomajas seems to be also in the category you describe.
>
> It could be a good starting point for a discussion how we can best support
> OSGeo projects in general, and what should be the rules for the allocation.
> Code sprints are good for a project to have a lot of things done in a
> short time for one project, but learning to learn from different projects
> how they are working together and share ideas and fun could also be a good
> goal to help open source collaboration.
>
> But if you want to allocate a budget for awards such as the Europa
> Challenge, this is a separate budget than the code sprint budget, so maybe
> this suit your goal better.
>
> Dirk
>
> On 02-03-16 18:53, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) wrote:
> > Maxi, Dirk and All,
> >
> >
> >
> > For WorldWind’s part, we are more the marathon type or at least 10k,
> > otherwise known as ‘in it for the long haul’ versus sprints or
> hackathons.
> >
> >
> >
> > And we would dearly appreciate any OSGeo budget that might be made
> > available, please!
> >
> >
> >
> > This would go exclusively to student winners of the Europa Challenge.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > -Patrick
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:*Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] *On Behalf Of
> > *dirk frigne
> >
> > *Sent:*Wednesday, March 02, 2016 8:23 AM
> >
> > *To:*discuss at lists.osgeo.org
> >
> > *Cc:*managementsupport at dfc.be
> >
> > *Subject:*Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints
> >
> >
> >
> > Maxi,
> >
> >
> >
> > I think we can solve that concern by divide the budget in 2 parts:
> >
> > Assumption that we know already the really strategic code sprints for
> 2016.
> >
> > (like the FOSS4G codes sprint in Bonn)
> >
> >
> >
> > From past years the board can make a good assumption what the budget
> > for the strategic code sprints should be, and reserve that for these
> > activities for 2016. The second part can be allocated to new and
> > ad-hoc initiatives following a RFP.
> >
> > (and in 2017 we can have several periods with RFP's so we can
> > instantiate a continue process).
> >
> >
> >
> > Dirk
> >
> >
> >
> > On 22-02-16 09:42, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > the fact that made me rise this discussion is:
> >
> > - we are facing more and more sprint code support requests (really
> > really great)
> >
> > - we do have limited budget (we may not be able to support all the
> > requests)
> >
> >
> >
> > So, how to prevent, for example, that a request in September for a
> > very strategic sprint code is not funded because all the money were
> > already spent?
> >
> > Shall we have a call for sprint code with defined criteria of
> > selection so that all the projects are aware of this possibility and
> knows the rules?
> >
> >
> >
> > This was my concerns...
> >
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Maxi
> >
> >
> >
> > 2016-02-22 8:12 GMT+01:00 Mr. Puneet Kishor <punk.kish at gmail.com
> > <mailto:punk.kish at gmail.com>>:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 22, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)
> > <patrick.hogan at nasa.gov <mailto:patrick.hogan at nasa.gov>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > For my two-pence, which won't even get you a cup of chai in Mumbai
> >
> >
> >
> > Correct. The current going rate is about 15¢ or 10p.
> >
> >
> >
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