[OSGeo-Discuss] R: 2019 OSGeo UN Committee Educational Challenge

[Jonathan Moules]

Hi Maria,


 > People with more than 40 years can apply.

Yes but they suffer a 20% penalty, that's a very significant penalty and 
is explicitly discriminatory against what is commonly considered a 
"protected attribute" (age), hence my raising the issue.


 > Moeover the scores will be compensated by their experience,

The problem with this is that you are assuming that people >=40 have 
experience with both writing proposals and giving training. 
Statistically they're more likely to have such experience but it's by no 
means guaranteed, it depends entirely on their career path.


If you want experienced writers then evaluate for experienced writers. 
If you want inexperienced writers so you can teach them (which isn't the 
explicit goal of the Challenge as far as I can see, though it could be 
implied by the existence of mentors), then evaluate and pick 
inexperienced. Age should not be a factor, only experience.


Cheers,

Jonathan



On 2019-05-19 20:03, Maria Antonia Brovelli wrote:
> Thanks for your comment.  I have a different opinion.
> People with more than 40 years can apply.
> Moeover the scores will be compensated by their experience, as there 
> are also scores for this:
>
>  1. Proposer’s documented experience in education and training: 20 (max)
>
> And I believe that, for a person with experience, it is easier to 
> write a better proposal (40 scores).
>
> In my opinion, on the opposite, our choice goes into the direction of 
> being  inclusive with young people.
>
> Anyhow there is a Code of Conduct Committee. If they decided that the 
> criteria as a whole are against inclusion, we would change as they 
> propose.
>
> Best regards
> Maria
>
>
>
> Inviato dal mio dispositivo Samsung
> -------- Messaggio originale --------
> Da: Jonathan Moules <jonathan-lists at lightpear.com>
> Data: 19/05/19 19:02 (GMT+01:00)
> A: discuss at lists.osgeo.org
> Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] 2019 OSGeo UN Committee Educational 
> Challenge
>
> I've just taken a look at this and noticed this line as one of the 
> evaluation criteria:
>
>
> > Proposer’s age (20 if <= 40 years old; 0 if >40 years old): 20 (max)
>
> When did explicit age discrimination (i.e. ageism) become acceptable?
>
>
> It seems to run counter to the OSGeo Goal of:
> "be a welcoming and inclusive worldwide organization at all levels;"
>
>
> Not to mention the Code of Conduct:
>
> "OSGeo welcomes and encourages participation by everyone" - as long as 
> you're young?
>
>
>
>
> On 2019-05-18 17:33, Maria Antonia Brovelli wrote:
>> Dear All
>> it is the time for a new exciting OSGeo UN Challenge.
>>
>> Proposals are invited for developing open geospatial educational 
>> material for two challenges:
>>
>> Challenge 1: PostGIS training material update
>> Challenge 2: Open geospatial data and software for UN SDG 16, Peace 
>> justice and strong institutions
>>
>> Prize money of USD 3,000 for each challenge is sponsored by OSGeo.
>>
>> Deadline for submission is 9 July 2019 (with no extension).
>>
>> Information is available here:
>>
>> https://www.osgeo.org/foundation-news/2019-osgeo-un-committee-educational-challenge/
>>
>> Happy weekend!
>> Maria and Serena
>>
>>
>>
>> *----------------------------------------------------*
>> *Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli*
>> Professor of GIS and Digital Mapping
>> Politecnico di Milano
>>
>> P.zza Leonardo da Vinci, 32 - Building 3 - 20133 Milano (Italy)
>>
>> https://orcid.org/0000-0003-3161-556
>>
>>
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