[FOSS4G-Oceania-discuss] [Aust-NZ] FOSS4G SotM Oceania meeting minutes

[Cameron Shorter]

Brad, this is good feedback, thank you.

I agree with you point that it should be clear that parents are to be 
responsible for their children.

I've suggested alternative wording (using track changes) in our source 
document here:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1q_S01zTDMP1TUpLQQo3O0wmnP1UmcvW3mPSORn4h9uc/edit#

Feel free to do likewise and add comments or alternative wording, 
preferably when you are logged in so we know who has suggested what.

Warm regards, Cameron


On 9/09/2018 8:47 PM, John Bryant wrote:
> Hi Brad, thanks for that. We're trying something that's new, as far as 
> we're aware, so we appreciate your feedback.
>
> We expect parents to be responsible for looking after their children 
> at the conference, and we're providing some means to help them do so. 
> We hope that other attendees will be helpful, but we're aware we can't 
> expect everyone to be comfortable with this. Rest assured, we 
> definitely don't expect you to be looking after other people's kids.
>
> We are asking for what we consider to be a reasonable amount of 
> tolerance for the presence of children, which I hope is within the 
> realm of community expectations. What we're trying to do is create an 
> environment where people who don't have the option of leaving children 
> at home can choose to attend, and trying to articulate the 
> expectations so there is a reasonable level of tolerance. The idea 
> here is that it will enable a fully diverse audience, reflecting our 
> professional community, to attend.
>
> We'll take another look at the policy, and see if there is anything we 
> need to do to clarify.
>
> Cheers
> John
>
> On Sun, 9 Sep 2018 at 19:58, <bradh at frogmouth.net 
> <mailto:bradh at frogmouth.net>> wrote:
>
>     I note the approval of
>     https://foss4g-oceania.org/child-friendly-conference in the
>     minutes. Will you take patches on that policy?
>
>     I’m particularly concerned about this part:
>     In kind, we request that everyone:
>     • Be patient with children. They are our future leaders and learn
>     by modelling what we do.
>     • Be patient with parents. Children are not robots and don’t have
>     ‘quiet now’ buttons.
>     • Leave seats near exits free, for use by parents and children
>     (see above - they may need to make quick exits)
>     • Assist. If you see a child looking lost or distressed, get down
>     to their level and ask them how you can help. Find a conference
>     volunteer to hand over to.
>     • Remember parents are doing the best they can. At the conference,
>     if you have issues with children or parents, please contact the
>     diversity team (as per the Code of Conduct).
>
>     I don’t think the second last point is reasonable. I’m not going
>     to the conference to look after other people’s children – I’m not
>     comfortable doing so, and I don't consider it my responsibility to
>     do so in any case.
>     Will you take amendments to make that "if you feel comfortable in
>     doing so"?
>
>     The second point can also be interpreted such that parents do not
>     need to control their children. The request that parents "Be aware
>     of the needs of other conference attendees, who have also paid to
>     turn up and hear people speak." is fairly weak (and doesn't
>     actually require parents to do anything, while everyone else has
>     to tolerate the child).
>     Will you take amendments to make parents responsible for
>     controlling their children and mitigating the effect that those
>     children have on other conference attendees?
>
>     Brad
>
>
>
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