[FOSS4G-Oceania-discuss] [Aust-NZ] FOSS4G SotM Oceania meeting minutes

John Bryant johnwbryant at gmail.com
Wed Sep 12 00:09:01 PDT 2018

Hi Brad, thanks again for helping us work towards clarity on the Child
Friendly Conference policy. We've taken your advice on board, and modified
the text a bit.

For the avoidance of doubt, we certainly expect parents to be responsible
for making sure their children are supervised at all times, and we don't
expect attendees to be responsible for anything they're not comfortable
with. I hope the policy now makes that a bit clearer.

Appreciate your input!


On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 at 08:05, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>

> Brad, this is good feedback, thank you.
> I agree with you point that it should be clear that parents are to be
> responsible for their children.
> I've suggested alternative wording (using track changes) in our source
> document here:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1q_S01zTDMP1TUpLQQo3O0wmnP1UmcvW3mPSORn4h9uc/edit#
> Feel free to do likewise and add comments or alternative wording,
> preferably when you are logged in so we know who has suggested what.
> Warm regards, Cameron
> On 9/09/2018 8:47 PM, John Bryant wrote:
> Hi Brad, thanks for that. We're trying something that's new, as far as
> we're aware, so we appreciate your feedback.
> We expect parents to be responsible for looking after their children at
> the conference, and we're providing some means to help them do so. We hope
> that other attendees will be helpful, but we're aware we can't expect
> everyone to be comfortable with this. Rest assured, we definitely don't
> expect you to be looking after other people's kids.
> We are asking for what we consider to be a reasonable amount of tolerance
> for the presence of children, which I hope is within the realm of community
> expectations. What we're trying to do is create an environment where people
> who don't have the option of leaving children at home can choose to attend,
> and trying to articulate the expectations so there is a reasonable level of
> tolerance. The idea here is that it will enable a fully diverse audience,
> reflecting our professional community, to attend.
> We'll take another look at the policy, and see if there is anything we
> need to do to clarify.
> Cheers
> John
> On Sun, 9 Sep 2018 at 19:58, <bradh at frogmouth.net> wrote:
>> I note the approval of
>> https://foss4g-oceania.org/child-friendly-conference in the minutes.
>> Will you take patches on that policy?
>> I’m particularly concerned about this part:
>> In kind, we request that everyone:
>> • Be patient with children. They are our future leaders and learn by
>> modelling what we do.
>> • Be patient with parents. Children are not robots and don’t have ‘quiet
>> now’ buttons.
>> • Leave seats near exits free, for use by parents and children (see above
>> - they may need to make quick exits)
>> • Assist. If you see a child looking lost or distressed, get down to
>> their level and ask them how you can help. Find a conference volunteer to
>> hand over to.
>> • Remember parents are doing the best they can. At the conference, if you
>> have issues with children or parents, please contact the diversity team (as
>> per the Code of Conduct).
>> I don’t think the second last point is reasonable. I’m not going to the
>> conference to look after other people’s children – I’m not comfortable
>> doing so, and I don't consider it my responsibility to do so in any case.
>> Will you take amendments to make that "if you feel comfortable in doing
>> so"?
>> The second point can also be interpreted such that parents do not need to
>> control their children. The request that parents "Be aware of the needs of
>> other conference attendees, who have also paid to turn up and hear people
>> speak." is fairly weak (and doesn't actually require parents to do
>> anything, while everyone else has to tolerate the child).
>> Will you take amendments to make parents responsible for controlling
>> their children and mitigating the effect that those children have on other
>> conference attendees?
>> Brad
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