[Foss4g2009] Re: FOSS4G 2009 Website Submissions
Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo)
tmitchell at osgeo.org
Wed Jan 14 12:47:29 EST 2009
Simon - great start on the re-theming efforts! Well done.
Re: voting/selection of workshops - consider that we could stick in
some javascript into a template somewhere too. We were experimenting
last year on this but I don't think it got used at all. Cc'ing Graeme
who was mainly looking at that part.
I think your questions about "reviewers" means that the users still
have to be registered on the site as a user first, but after that you
can request them to review without having to log in.
In case you haven't already noticed, there is an active forum for the
OCS software. Any time you hit a barrier or have a new idea, I
highly recommend asking the folks on there. The lead developers are
usually quit responsive: http://pkp.sfu.ca/support/forum/ Just note
that they have a few sections for their different software packages.
There is likely some discussion there about the selection/voting
concepts.
Hope it helps,
Tyler
On 13-Jan-09, at 1:10 PM, mapbutcher wrote:
> Volker,
>
> I was configuring OCS last night and you can set up the review part
> of the submission process to use an option called:
>
> 'Enable one-click reviewer access.'
>
> Note: With this option, in which reviewers do not need to log in to
> the site, directors are not able for security reasons to modify
> email addresses or add CCs or BCCs prior to sending request to
> reviewers.
>
> I'm yet to see how this actually works - i'm still testing config -
> but it suggests that a visitor to the site does not have to be
> logged into review each submission - i added some dummy workshop
> submissions and enabled the option, logged out but could not find
> my dummy submissions to review?
>
> Ideally we'd use OCS functionality if it suits us - and to avoid
> any need for us to craft a module. As its stands i understand OCS
> is well placed for review - i.e. it has a work flow, i think we
> just need to play around with it to simplify it down (IMO the
> review should be more of a vote) and try and see how much we can
> decouple the need to be a logged in user with the correct role to
> actually review\vote on a submission.
>
> Would it help if you were a user with adequate privileges in OCS so
> you can test stuff too? Ping me and I'll sort it out?
>
> Simon
>
>
> 2009/1/13 Volker Mische <volker.mische at gmail.com>
> Hi Simon, Shoaib,
>
> I should and want to get started (as I already said I won't have any
> time in February). I thought about the workshop voting.
>
> Solution I:
> Should we do the voting within OCS, and use its authentication, so
> everyone who wants to vote has to register in OCS.
>
> Pro:
> * We will use OCS, so it stays within the system, we don't need to
> bother with authentication
> * Could potentially also used for future conferences
>
> Con:
> * I stopped coding PHP before it got really OOP. To get a OCS plugin
> working it would take (at least for me) some serious effort
> * It doesn't seem that the OCS plugin API is made for such plugins
> (at
> least I had the impression after I had a quick look at the existing
> plugins)
>
> Solution II:
> We dump out the Workshop data somehow out of OCS and we build a
> quick'n'dirty script with registration especially for the voting.
>
> Pro:
> * We can use whatever we want. E.g. a framework like Django we you
> can
> easily create forms and authentication
>
> Con:
> * I also have no idea about web frameworks, but getting started
> should
> be fairly easy.
> * We need to export and import the data
> * It probably is a "use it one time and trash it" solution and not
> nothing that could be reused for future conferences
>
> I'd prefer Solution II as it looks like being more fun than
> Solution I.
>
> Cheers,
> Volker
>
>
> mapbutcher wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > Whenever I'm getting spare time I'm starting to configure the 09 OCS
> > instance - I'll keep the list posted.
> >
> > I'm trying to strip out as much of the UI to keep it focussed on the
> > submission process - I'd like to keep the main site the primary
> site and
> > not duplicate content across to OCS
> >
> > http://conference.osgeo.org/index.php/foss4g2009/
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Simon
> >
> >
> > 2009/1/9 Volker Mische <volker.mische at gmail.com
> > <mailto:volker.mische at gmail.com>>
> >
> > It would be nice if you could send it to me. I already
> expected (a) and
> > (b), though it might be a good reference to get started.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Volker
> >
> > Paul Ramsey wrote:
> > > It's still around, and I can send it to you. It's (a) ugly
> and (b)
> > > fairly specific to the database design I used for abstract
> management.
> > >
> > > P.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Volker Mische
> > <volker.mische at gmail.com <mailto:volker.mische at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> > >> Hi Paul,
> > >>
> > >> This sounds like a good idea. Is the software you used still
> > there, or
> > >> do we need to build our own?
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Volker
> > >>
> > >> Paul Ramsey wrote:
> > >>> I gave people a list of everything, in random order, with
> the
> > ability
> > >>> so sub-set it with a keyword search. So if they wanted, the
> > could vote
> > >>> on only PostGIS things, and if they started from the top
> and worked
> > >>> down then got tired, we'd still get a randomly
> distributed set of
> > >>> preferences.
> > >>>
> > >>> P.
> > >>>
> > >>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 3:55 AM, Volker Mische
> > <volker.mische at gmail.com <mailto:volker.mische at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> > >>>> Hi All,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I like to keep the effort as minimal as possible.
> Therefore I
> > would say
> > >>>> solution 2+3.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I see no problem if everyone who wants to submit a
> > workshop/abstract has
> > >>>> to register. It takes 5min for everyone, and all of them
> should be
> > >>>> capable of registering at a website. And it would save
> our time
> > to find
> > >>>> a workaround with a dummy user.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I guess for the voting we need to get it somehow out of the
> > database,
> > >>>> but this should be a matter of a small script.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> One open question for me is: What do we use for voting.
> I like
> > >>>> http://www.ideatorrent.org/. The problem is that once a
> > workshop is in
> > >>>> the "top 10" it's likely that people just vote for those
> at the
> > top, and
> > >>>> not the ones at the bottom.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Cheers,
> > >>>> Volker
> > >>>>
> > >>>> mapbutcher wrote:
> > >>>>> Folks,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I've begun to configure the 2009 OCS conference pages
> on the OCS
> > >>>>> instance on the OSGeo box. If you don't already have an
> > account it may
> > >>>>> be an idea to create one:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> http://conference.osgeo.org/index.php/foss4g/2009/user/
> account
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Volker, Shoaib - any preference on which way we should go
> > based upon my
> > >>>>> earlier email?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Cheers
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Simon
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 2009/1/5 Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com
> > <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>
> > >>>>> <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com
> > <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Copying to the foss4g2009 email list for archiving.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Lorenzo Becchi wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hi Simon, thank you to include me in this list.
> > >>>>> I would suggest to use a mailing list to go on
> with this
> > >>>>> conversation because it is important to have it
> > archived, IMO.
> > >>>>> another thing I would like to suggest is the
> use of a
> > wiki page,
> > >>>>> you've made so many important questions that it is
> > normal that
> > >>>>> you will receive an answer at the time, if you're
> > lucky ;-)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> my experience with OCS is still very limited, I've
> > just set up
> > >>>>> an instance [1] to practice. The instalation is
> pretty
> > easy if
> > >>>>> you don't have safe_mode php (I do).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I've started a private conversation with Tyler
> about
> > part of
> > >>>>> your questions and he has discovered interesting
> > features that I
> > >>>>> guess he will comment to everybody.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I'll check out the few answers I can maybe give
> while
> > we decide
> > >>>>> if it's worth to move the conversation to
> foss4g2009
> > mailing list.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ciao
> > >>>>> Lorenzo
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> [1] http://foss4g2010.org
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> mapbutcher wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> All, (Lorenzo cc'd because of your recent
> emails to
> > >>>>> OSGeo-conf, Gavin your experience of OCS in
> 2008
> > may help
> > >>>>> shape our choice of scenario?)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> We need to 'integrate' the current site
> > >>>>> (http:.//2009.foss4g.org/
> > <http://2009.foss4g.org/> <http://2009.foss4g.org/>
> > >>>>> <http://2009.foss4g.org/>) with OCS for
> 2009. We
> > need to
> > >>>>> have these processes handled:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 1. Workshop submission (2nd February 2009
> Call for
> > >>>>> workshops open)
> > >>>>> 2. Abstract submission (9th March 2009
> Call for
> > abstracts
> > >>>>> open)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I've purposefully not discussed here the
> > presentation of the
> > >>>>> conference programme on the website as i
> feel this
> > adds a
> > >>>>> layer of complexity to the integration
> which we should
> > >>>>> handle separately. Instead I suggest we
> work on this
> > >>>>> separate from the submission process - any
> > feelings on
> > >>>>> this? Given the time frames I'd like to
> suggest the
> > >>>>> following - I'm open to other scenarios but
> > please consider
> > >>>>> our time frame:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Scenario 1 - Partial Integration
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> a) We develop a workshop proposal and abstract
> > submission
> > >>>>> page external from OCS for the current site
> > >>>>> (http://2009.foss4g.org/).
> > >>>>> b) Ideally it would be preferable if these
> pages
> > do not
> > >>>>> require authorisation to make the process of
> > submission
> > >>>>> simple (If possible? - see clarification
> questions
> > below)
> > >>>>> c) Submissions are made directly into the OCS
> > database via
> > >>>>> an OCS API (If possible? - see clarification
> > questions below)
> > >>>>> d) Submissions are reviewed internally by
> OC using
> > OCS (If
> > >>>>> possible? - see clarification questions below)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Scenario 2 - OCS
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> a) We link a new submission page on the
> current
> > site to
> > >>>>> OSGeo OCS instance (ideally the most
> obvious entry
> > point -
> > >>>>> i.e. register, submission but not just OCS
> home)
> > >>>>> b) We use what css capability in OCS to
> make these
> > sites
> > >>>>> 'appear as one'
> > >>>>> c) Workshop proposals are put through as
> > submissions in OCS
> > >>>>> under a 'workshop' track
> > >>>>> d) We follow the OCS work flows for review
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Scenario 3 - OCS and Review through
> current site
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> a) We follow scenario 1 or 2 (probably 2)
> above until
> > >>>>> submission is complete
> > >>>>> b) We provide visibility onto OCS data from
> the
> > current site
> > >>>>> for the following (both of these we develop
> > outside of OCS):
> > >>>>> i) Workshop and Presentation Open Vote
> > >>>>> ii)Online Programme
> > >>>>> From a practical point of view we have
> limited
> > time &
> > >>>>> resources. Granted OCS has cosmetic issues
> as well
> > as having
> > >>>>> a rather rigid work flow but it brings a
> certain
> > amount to
> > >>>>> the table which we may not have the
> resources to
> > replicate
> > >>>>> in time for the workshop and abstract
> submission
> > opening.
> > >>>>> Personally I cannot throw much time at this in
> > January,
> > >>>>> Shoaib & Volker what is your availability?
> Given
> > this my
> > >>>>> preference would be Scenario 3 with the
> following
> > outline
> > >>>>> approach:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 1. Create 2009 Conference in OCS on OSGeo
> box (easy)
> > >>>>> 2. Configure the necessary parts for
> submissions
> > (more time
> > >>>>> consuming, but not tricky)
> > >>>>> 3. Set up styles(again a bit time consuming)
> > >>>>> 4. Test submission work flow
> > >>>>> 5. Create registration page on
> 2009.foss4g outlining
> > >>>>> submission
> > >>>>> work flow and with links into OCS
> > >>>>> 6. Begin to develop a workshop and
> presentation
> > open vote
> > >>>>> page\backend for 2009.foss4g
> > >>>>> 7. Begin to develop a programme page
> \backend for
> > 2009.foss4g
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Below are some clarification questions that
> Shoaib
> > and I
> > >>>>> discussed when we met in December which some
> > people may be
> > >>>>> able to answer
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 1. What version of OCS is OSGeo using
> currently?
> > >>>>> 2. What backend does OSGeo use for OCS?
> > >>>>> 3. Does OCS allow abstracts once reviewed
> and
> > approved to be
> > >>>>> 'assigned' to a time slot in the
> programme?
> > >>>>> 4. OCS does not support 'workshop' proposal
> > submission is this
> > >>>>> correct? i.e. it only supports abstract
> > submission
> > >>>>> 5. What information do we need to gather
> as part
> > of workshop
> > >>>>> submissions?
> > >>>>> 6. Does OCS support ATOM/RSS and iCal
> feed creation
> > >>>>> 7. Does OCS allow the program to be
> displayed on
> > a website
> > >>>>> in the
> > >>>>> form of a calender, my understanding
> is that
> > OCS only
> > >>>>> displays a
> > >>>>> conference program as a list?
> > >>>>> 8. Does OCS have support for conference
> > Streams/Themes? if
> > >>>>> so does
> > >>>>> if allow Abstracts and Workshops to be
> > assigned to
> > >>>>> Themes? My
> > >>>>> understanding is that OCS uses
> 'Tracks' to do
> > this?
> > >>>>> 9. Does OCS have an API to submit
> abstracts so
> > the we can
> > >>>>> call it
> > >>>>> directly from the foss4g website without
> > having to
> > >>>>> transition to
> > >>>>> another site. e.g. can we setup the
> abstract
> > submission
> > >>>>> form on
> > >>>>> FOSS4G that calls the OCS with an HTTP
> Post
> > request. My
> > >>>>> understanding is that there isn't an
> API and
> > there are
> > >>>>> some very
> > >>>>> basic import mechanisms
> > >>>>> 10. How does OCS support email
> notification of
> > >>>>> proposal/abstract
> > >>>>> submission & approval?
> > >>>>> 11. Does OCS require every user to login
> with the
> > correct
> > >>>>> roles or
> > >>>>> can we by-pass this requirement to
> simplify
> > the the
> > >>>>> abstract/workshop submission? e.g.
> will this
> > require a
> > >>>>> proxy user?
> > >>>>> 12. If we submit Abstract/Workshops to the
> back end
> > >>>>> directly (by
> > >>>>> passing OCS) can OCS still be used to
> review and
> > >>>>> approve them?
> > >>>>> 13. How hard is it to change the theme and
> layout
> > of the OCS
> > >>>>> webpages so that the transition
> between the
> > foss4g site
> > >>>>> and OCS
> > >>>>> is as smooth as possible
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> We need to begin to move on this ASAP so if
> we can
> > gather
> > >>>>> feedback, preferences etc by 8th Dec:
> > >>>>>
> > http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?
> day=8&month=1&year=2009&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=240
> > <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?
> day=8&month=1&year=2009&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=240>
> > >>>>>
> > <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?
> day=8&month=1&year=2009&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=240
> > <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?
> day=8&month=1&year=2009&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=240>>
> > >>>>>
> > <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?
> day=8&month=1&year=2009&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=240
> > <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?
> day=8&month=1&year=2009&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=240>
> > >>>>>
> > <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?
> day=8&month=1&year=2009&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=240
> > <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?
> day=8&month=1&year=2009&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=240>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Cameron can we take a decision on the way
> forward
> > thereafter?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Simon
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> Cameron Shorter
> > >>>>> Geospatial Systems Architect
> > >>>>> Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
> > >>>>> Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254
> > >>>>>
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> and Open
> > Source
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> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
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