[Foss4g2009] Workshop / Tutorial Submission Templates
Doug White
doug.royce.white at gmail.com
Fri Jan 30 15:52:57 EST 2009
Responses inline...
Mark Leslie wrote:
> A few issues
> Workshops:
>
> We should not restrict ourselves to installing off the OSGeo for Windows
> project.
I don't think this suggests the software be restricted to just OSGeo4W.
But I agree there should be no restriction and maybe the use of the
LiveDVD addresses this, I know I would opt for Linux over Windows if
given a choice. But the "use of the LiveDVD at own risk" statement may
also frighten people away for this choice as well.
As the theme is user driven, someone might be able to demonstrate a
complete new approach (or software) to deal with an interoperability or
data migration issue that doesn't use the existing OSGeo4W software.
> We should not be allowing workshop and tutorial participants to state
> requirements for either the CCIP or LiveDVD in a form they submit. This
> will give them the impression that they have done all they need to do to
> ensure their requirements are met. I don't know about the CCIP, but the
> LiveDVD project has no scope for meeting the arbitrary requirements of
> 34 different presenters.
Presenters will either have data requirements they to need address and
therefore may need to make some statement about this, which may possibly
include a submission of actual data for use in the workshop.
Alternatively they will need to know what type of data is available for
them to use? Maybe the milestones could include...
A published list of data available for use in the CCIP.
A deadline for workshop data submission for accepted workshop proposals.
> Tutorials:
>
> Do we actually want to make participation in the installfest manditory
> for tutorial presenters? I think that's a terrible idea. Many tutorial
> presenters may not be presenting installables and I don't want people
> not submitting tutorials because of this oblique requirement. I'm also
> unclear how the installfest fits with LiveDVD here.
I agree a tutorial might not necessarily require any installables. Again
as the theme is user driven. Someone might like to present a tutorial
about a solving a business problem, it may use OS software, but not need
to be a discussion on the technical aspects of the solution.
Doug White
Geospatial Consultant
Omnilink Pty Ltd
> I have added links to the website contacts page for discussions on teh
> workshop computers or the LiveDVD, and a section in CCIP indicating that
> it will be a better alternative than trying to hit the net to access data.
>
> I'm thrilled we have a CCIP section. I think that was the last thing
> these were waiting for.
>
> Mark Leslie
> Geospatial Software Architect
> LISAsoft
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> Cameron Shorter wrote:
>> Mark,
>> I've finally reviewed the Tutorial and Workshop templates, and they
>> look very professional. Nice work.
>>
>> I've added a couple of comments, primarily asking presenters to
>> outline their requirements from the CCIP and LiveDVD and whether they
>> are prepared to help test/support the creation of these.
>>
>>
>> Mark Leslie wrote:
>>> Templates updated, and in nasty Word Template format as well.
>>>
>>> Asking questions and reading reviews, it's starting to be clear that
>>> beginner workshops are really where our target audience wants to be.
>>> I'm going to recommend that, largely due to our reduced number of
>>> workshops over previous years, we bias the workshops heavily towards
>>> beginner sessions, but try to balance the tutorials across the three
>>> sections.
>>>
>>> I've also taken a stab at stealing workshop selection criteria, which
>>> now lives at
>>> <http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2009_Workshop_Selection_Criteria>
>>> and is available for review and comment.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark Leslie
>>> Geospatial Software Architect
>>> LISAsoft
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>>>
>>> Mark Leslie wrote:
>>>> Hmm, I was under the impression that the workshops were
>>>> traditionally beginner-heavy, but looking back that doesn't seem to
>>>> be the case. The numbers for 2007 are
>>>> Workshops: 12
>>>> Beginner: 4
>>>> Advanced: 3
>>>> Developer: 3
>>>> Advanced Developer: 1
>>>> Intermediate: 1
>>>> Tutorials: 16
>>>> Beginner: 10
>>>> Advanced: 3
>>>> Developer: 2
>>>> Beginner/Advanced: 1
>>>>
>>>> Excluding those that didn't fill out the form properly, it seems
>>>> there was a pretty even balance in workshops with the shorter
>>>> sessions being more beginner oriented.
>>>>
>>>> 2008 doesn't seem to list this.
>>>>
>>>> At any rate, I think you've got it right, defining User vs.
>>>> Developer. I'll update the templates today, and add a short
>>>> explanation line like I have for the other sections. I'll also take
>>>> a shot at outlining some selection criteria on the wiki.
>>>>
>>>> Mark Leslie
>>>> Geospatial Software Architect
>>>> LISAsoft
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>>>>
>>>> Doug White wrote:
>>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the templates look good, I would agree with Daniels
>>>>> comments somewhat. It seems like the 2007 categories equate to
>>>>> something like...
>>>>>
>>>>> Beginner User
>>>>> Advanced User
>>>>> Developer (advanced prerequisite knowledge)
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not sure how the workshop attendees would break down into
>>>>> these categories, it's obviously of little financial benefit to
>>>>> hold a beginner workshop if people are only likely to attend the
>>>>> advanced and developer level. On the other hand beginners probably
>>>>> don't want to be in a developer workshop learning C code either.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe tutorial sessions could cater more for beginners, with
>>>>> material that could be taken away and worked through at leisure?
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Leslie wrote:
>>>>>> Daniel Kastl wrote:
>>>>>>> Mark Leslie schrieb:
>>>>>>>> After having Jody fill out a template, there were a number of
>>>>>>>> changes
>>>>>>>> and clarifications needed. I've also put the effort into making
>>>>>>>> something presentable, so here are the next-generation of
>>>>>>>> submission
>>>>>>>> templates for comment. This time, they're even in template form :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looking into the workshop submission template I remember that in
>>>>>>> 2007
>>>>>>> there was the same choice
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>> User Level (choose one):
>>>>>>> ? Beginner
>>>>>>> ? Advanced
>>>>>>> ? Developer
>>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I (pgRouting workshop) wasn't sure whether to choose "Advanced" or
>>>>>>> "Developer" (probably both?).
>>>>>>> Well, it's not a critical issue, just thought something like
>>>>>>> "Beginner/Advanced/Expert" and/or "User/Developer" would be
>>>>>>> unambiguous
>>>>>>> and more clear.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a very good point. To try and clarify my understanding it
>>>>>> should read more like this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> User Level (choose one):
>>>>>> ? Beginner
>>>>>> ? Advanced: Non-developer
>>>>>> ? Advanced: Developer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This was copied from the 2007 template, so I'm not sure if this
>>>>>> was the intent then, but it's what I've expected. This then begs
>>>>>> the question, can we have "Beginner: Developer" workshops or
>>>>>> tutorials?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark Leslie
>>>>>> Geospatial Software Architect
>>>>>> LISAsoft
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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