[Geo4All] UN SDG mapping book updates

Cameron Shorter cameron.shorter at gmail.com
Sat Jun 3 02:59:48 PDT 2017


Responding off-list as I don't want to start a flame war, but you are 
welcome to respond publicly if you wish.

Silvana, you've provided wise words (even if in draft).

Menno-Jan, you possibly might not realise that suggesting use of private 
conversations has a tendency to trigger flame-wars within open source 
communities. It is counter to the transparency ethos of most 
communities. You might want to read about these principles in the 
following section of the book "Producing Open Source":

http://producingoss.com/en/producingoss.html#avoid-private-discussions

Warm regards, Cameron


On 3/6/17 12:42 am, Silvana Camboim wrote:
> Dear all:
>
> As the current chair of ICA Commission on Open Source Geotechnologies 
> I thinks can help to make some points clearer about this book.
>
> Each commission was responsible for one goal. Ours (Open Source 
> Geotechnologies) was mapping inequality. The content was created in 
> collaboration with all Geo4All network (Geo4All Cartographic 
> Challenge). It was committed with our open principles: as it detailed 
> the activities of 4 labs around the world. As this will be published 
> by ESRI Press, and the format will be discussed during ICC in 
> Washington, but until now there is no influence of the software vendor 
> in the content of the book. The original posters are available openly 
> since the UN exhibition last year.
>
> The concern that the ESRI as editor Will have some influence about the 
> content is legitimate, but you can be sure that I will careful during 
> the process to guarantee that our contributions will mirror the open 
> source principles.
>
> The discussion about open publishing is welcome, but we know that we 
> are still not in the point that this is
>
> One idea is maybe to create an Open Tutorial or webinar series on UN 
> SDG goals, maybe with the UN working group? That will complement the 
> ICA iniative and could be a great chance to further disseminate the 
> potential of Open Source and Open Education.
>
> Em 2 de jun de 2017 10:26, "Suchith Anand" 
> <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>> escreveu:
>
>     Dear Anthony,
>
>     Free and Open discussions are the way we work and we greatly
>     welcome different ideas and perspectives. We value everyone's
>     inputs and everyone are welcome to join and provide inputs. We
>     won't be able to even have this open discussion in the properitery
>     GIS vendor mail lists. You won't be able to even send an email on
>     GeoForAll to the properitery GIS vendor's education maillist! You
>     are always welcome to share your ideas to geoforall community,
>     GeoforAll advisory board, OSGeo Board and we will be happy to
>     discuss ideas.
>
>     To be clear my specific query was on this particular issue where
>     the voluntary contributions of  all commissions (including
>     commission on open source  geospatial technologies that I am a
>     member) for the UN SDG “Mapping” Goals are to be published as a
>     book  . Having it sponsored and published by a properitery GIS
>     vendor will mean they will have their own agenda promoted as the
>     Mapping agenda for UN SDG.  We have so many examples already where
>     properitery GIS vendors have used sponsorship as backdoor to have
>     their agenda pushed. It is important we learn from experiences .
>     We are a education and scientific community and it is important we
>     work with all and listen to all perspectives but as this book is
>     specifically  related to UN SDG it should not be used for any
>     sponsorship activities from any vendors or pushing any specific
>     vendor agendas.
>
>     This book is done by volunteer efforts of members and should be
>     published as an open book through the ICA website in creative
>     commons licence. So I really don’t understand why this important
>     collaborative work on UN SDG  needs to be published specifically
>     through properitery GIS vendor publishing house  who will have
>     conflict of interest to open solutions and open principles.  Open
>     solutions and principles are also key part of  achieving UN SDG 2030.
>
>     Best wishes,
>
>     Suchith
>
>
>
>     ________________________________________
>     From: Helena Mitasova <hmitaso at ncsu.edu <mailto:hmitaso at ncsu.edu>>
>     Sent: 02 June 2017 11:14 AM
>     To: Anthony Robinson
>     Cc: Anand Suchith; geoforall at lists.osgeo.org
>     <mailto:geoforall at lists.osgeo.org>; Menno-Jan Kraak; sg at icaci.org
>     <mailto:sg at icaci.org>
>     Subject: Re: [Geo4All] UN SDG mapping book updates
>
>     Finally, I'll add that I think it is quite problematic that there
>     appears to
>     be no collaborative decision making process by which GeoForAll
>     speaks out on
>     issues like this one. If I'm wrong about that I'd be happy to be
>     corrected.
>
>     Anthony - this is just to clarify:
>     we do have a collaborative decision making process  to speak out -
>     the issues can be presented to geoforall advisory board for
>     discussion and potential geoforall official statement or if it is
>     a broader issue OSGeo board can take it up as well. But anybody
>     can initiate an open discussion and I think that is what Suchith
>     is doing - sharing his ideas and thoughts on his issue.
>
>     Regards,
>
>     -Anthony
>
>     Anthony C. Robinson, PhD
>     Assistant Professor, Department of Geography
>     Director for Online Geospatial Education, John A. Dutton e-Education
>     Institute
>     Assistant Director, GeoVISTA Center
>     The Pennsylvania State University
>     sites.psu.edu/arobinson/
>     <http://sites.psu.edu/arobinson/><http://sites.psu.edu/arobinson/
>     <http://sites.psu.edu/arobinson/>>
>
>
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: GeoForAll [mailto:geoforall-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>     <mailto:geoforall-bounces at lists.osgeo.org><mailto:geoforall-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>     <mailto:geoforall-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>>] On Behalf Of
>     Suchith Anand
>     Sent: Friday, June 2, 2017 9:39 AM
>     To: geoforall at lists.osgeo.org
>     <mailto:geoforall at lists.osgeo.org><mailto:geoforall at lists.osgeo.org
>     <mailto:geoforall at lists.osgeo.org>>; m.j.kraak at utwente.nl
>     <mailto:m.j.kraak at utwente.nl><mailto:m.j.kraak at utwente.nl
>     <mailto:m.j.kraak at utwente.nl>>; sg at icaci.org
>     <mailto:sg at icaci.org><mailto:sg at icaci.org <mailto:sg at icaci.org>>
>     Subject: [Geo4All] UN SDG mapping book updates
>
>     Dear  colleagues,
>
>     As you are aware there is some excellent work done by our ICA
>     colleagues by
>     highlighting the value of cartography by “mapping” the UN sustainable
>     development goals. Silvana and our colleagues have done excellent work
>     highlighting the importance of openness in reducing inequalities.
>
>     I believe this is a very important activity  but recently I came
>     to know
>     that the book  proposal that is planned  to be developed from this
>     is being
>     planned to be published through a properitery GIS vendor ‘s publishing
>     house. Hence I have written to Menno-Jan requesting him to consider
>     publication on this important issue through  any neutral academic
>     publishing
>     houses as publishing this through properitery GIS vendor ‘s publishing
>     company is against the spirit of openness in geo education and
>     ICA-OSGeo MoU
>     .  I think it is important to have both properitery and open
>     solutions but
>     ICA as an organisation should be neutral . Hence very important not to
>     promote Properitery vendor agenda esp in UN SDG work by having the
>     properitery GIS vendor publishing this. As an ordinary ICA
>     volunteer  I am
>     disappointed to see this.  I am grateful that Menno-Jan has
>     understood my
>     concern and I hope this will be rectified asap.
>
>     I will keep you updated on the developments.
>
>     Best wishes,
>
>     Suchith
>
>
>
>
>
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