[GRASS-dev] FW: FW: OSGeo-SoC 2016 application

Fri Mar 25 11:48:21 PDT 2016

Dear Moritz,

I have submitted the proposal. Please find attachment for the final version. 
Ps: I kept the statement of top-down and bottom-up algorithm structure because it make perfect sense to me to imagine the algorithm procedure from image to pixels or from pixels to image.
Thank you for being patient and helping me improve. I wholeheartedly appreciate everything and hope I could have the opportunity working with you and Markus this summer.

Best wishes,
Bo Yang

-----Original Message-----
From: Moritz Lennert [mailto:mlennert at club.worldonline.be] 
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 8:24 AM
To: Yang, Bo (yangb2) <yangb2 at mail.uc.edu>
Cc: grass-dev at lists.osgeo.org; Markus Metz <markus.metz.giswork at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [GRASS-dev] FW: FW: OSGeo-SoC 2016 application

Bo,

I've read through your application. It is quite long, so I think you can shorten the overview of the different algorithms a bit.

Maybe I was, again, unclear in my previous mails, but I would qualify mean-shift and watershed as top-down algorithms. If your not comfortable with these notions (of top-down/bottom-up), better not to include them in the proposal.

Other than that, it seems fine to me.

Some elements you could add to make it stronger:

- The specific question of how to handle large data. i.segment uses binary search trees. Have you already worked with those ? As you say that you "coded to process large volume" data, could you provide one or two examples including information about your approaches ?
- Possible difficulties and how you plan on solving them (including other obligations you might have during that time, vacation plans, etc).
- Have you ever worked in a *nix environment ? Even though GRASS runs on Windows, it does come from a *nix environment and understanding that helps...

I won't be available for most of (my) afternoon. I'll try to have a quick look at my mail around 18h (CET), i.e. 2 hours before deadline, but can't absolutely guarantee it.

Maybe MarkusM has something to add ?

Moritz

On 25/03/16 06:21, Yang, Bo (yangb2) wrote:
> Dear Moritz,
>
> Please find the attachment for my first draft of the proposal.
> GoogleDoc:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Qanh7sUdJZfiusTVIBHmlbC6NY9kKFVR18
> OL3icreoM/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Thanks for your advices, such as Orfeo Toolbox, those are really 
> helpful for further understanding the segmentation algorithms.
>
> However, I find few literature about the split-window algorithm, So 
> for the time being I put mean-shift and watershed as my highest 
> priority algorithm to be implemented.
>
> Please let me know if you and/or Markus have any suggestions. I didn't 
> strictly follow the proposal template[1] because there is no methods 
> part. I restructure the proposal and included all the required 
> information in the template. If needed I can revise it to exactly 
> follow template's format. The proposal is due tomorrow afternoon for 
> me (3pm
> EST) so I think I still have enough time to refine it.
>
> Yes, I fully understand there is no guarantee that the proposal will 
> be accepted, and I am totally fine with it. Thanks for pointing it 
> out. Be engaging in the GSoC process is more valuable for me since 
> I've learning about groups of people that extend beyond just GSoC. I will try my best.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Bo Yang
>
> [1]
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_Recommendations_for_
> Students#Application_questions_we.27ll_ask_you
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Moritz Lennert [mailto:mlennert at club.worldonline.be]
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 7:52 AM
> To: Yang, Bo (yangb2) <yangb2 at mail.uc.edu>; Luca Delucchi 
> <lucadeluge at gmail.com>
> Cc: grass-dev at lists.osgeo.org; Markus Metz 
> <markus.metz.giswork at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [GRASS-dev] FW: FW: OSGeo-SoC 2016 application
>
> Dear Bo,
>
> On 24/03/16 06:26, Yang, Bo (yangb2) wrote:
>
>  > Dear Moritz,
>
>  >
>
>  > Thank you for the reply, and thanks you and Markus could be the 
> mentor
>
>  > of the i.segment project! There are only two days left for 
> submitting
>
>  > the proposal, take into consideration I think I need to switch to 
> the
>
>  > topic of i.segment project now.
>
> Thank you for the flexibility !
>
>  > For my cokriging fusion
>
>  > topic I think I could do it after this summer in the future work.
>
> Great !
>
>  > I've read the source code and Eric's wiki of GSoC 2012 [0]. I think 
> I
>
>  > will prepare the proposal following the direction of adding new
>
>  > algorithms to segment an image into objects-- more than 
> region-growing
>
>  > algorithm. Moritz, you mentioned segmentation
>
>  > algorithm: mean-shift, split-window and watershed.
>
> Yes, as the general logistics of the i.segment module is in place, 
> adding new segmentation algorithms should not be too hard, so adding 
> several should be possible during this GSoC.
>
>  > I think some
>
>  > unsupervised classification algorithms would also be possible such
>
>  > as: dynamic thresholding and markov random field (MRF).
>
> Unsupervised classification could be an interesting addition.
>
> However, I would think KISS. So, concentrate on the segmentation. You 
> can add classification in the the project as a possible extension, in 
> case you finish early with the segmentation.
>
> In any case, classification should be a separate module. The idea is 
> to have each module do one thing. Currently classification is proposed 
> by v.class.ml and v.class.mlR (but the latter is a very simple hack I 
> did for teaching - I'm currently busy rewriting it), but they are supervised.
>
> For classification segment characterization is also important. 
> Currently we have two Python-based modules for that v.class and i.segment.stats.
>
> One option might be to think about more efficient approaches and more 
> variables for that.
>
>  > If you think
>
>  > it is OK, I will start the preparing the draft of proposal from now
>
>  > on, and I think I could have the first version send back to you by
>
>  > tomorrow (Thursday).
>
> Perfect. Markus and I are in Europe so don't forget about time zones 
> when thinking about when to send us your draft...
>
>  > If you have any suggestions and comments please let me know.
>
> Markus can give you more details about the actual implementation. I 
> think in your proposal you should show that you have a general idea of 
> how i.segment works, and you should review different segmentation 
> techniques, possibly with relevant literature references. You might 
> also want to have a look at Orfeo Toolbox and their implementation of 
> some of the segmentation algorithms.
>
> In general, it would be nice to add at least one or two top-down 
> methods as this would allow top-down hierarchical segmentation, while 
> the current region growing approach only allows bottom-up hierarchical 
> segmentation.
>
> Final note just to make sure that this is clear: please be aware that 
> there are other GRASS-related proposals and that we do not know how 
> many slots we will get for GRASS. There is thus no guarantee that your 
> proposal will be chosen.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Moritz
>

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