[GRASS-PSC] First draft of call for student grants

Tue Nov 16 08:53:07 PST 2021

Hi everyone,

There is a general tendency (very strong with the international 
organisations and governments) to move toward the competition model, but 
I'm not a big fan of it as it generally means many people doing a lot of 
work for free.

If we go in that direction, then it should definitely be in the form of 
a very low amount of work necessary to compete to then win the prize to 
do the actual work. This actually means that we just transform our 
application process into a competition process and we call the decision 
not awarding a grant, but awarding a prize. Note much difference beyond 
that, or ?

Moritz

Am 16.11.2021 16:23 schrieb Huidae Cho:
> Helena,
> 
> Agreed. That is what I was thinking about in the other email. The only
> problem I can see is will there be enough contributions when they are
> not guaranteed to be rewarded *after* all their work? Work done first,
> compete for a prize later vs. Compete for a grant and work done later.
> Still, I think the prize idea is definitely worth considering.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Huidae
> 
> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 10:09 AM Helena Mitasova <hmitaso at ncsu.edu>
> wrote:
> 
>> Dear all - I don’t have time right now to write more but as I was
>> reading the document and thinking about all the pitfalls of paying
>> for work
>> I was wondering whether we should follow an example from geoforall
>> and do it as award / prize for the work done -
>> e.g. Annual award for the best student contribution to GRASS (no
>> invoices needed, but PSC will need to evaluate the contributions
>> and let students know about the opportunity).
>> 
>> Feel free to ignore this suggestion - it just came to mind as
>> Geoforall is launching "Pitch your research competition, where
>> students will have 5 minutes to talk about their project showcasing
>> open source, open data or open standards.” with cash prizes from
>> the OSGeo budget.
>> 
>> Helena
>> 
>>> On Nov 16, 2021, at 5:40 AM, Moritz Lennert
>> <mlennert at club.worldonline.be> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Vero, for your feedback (and Vaclav for the direct
>> change) !
>>> 
>>> Here are some comments/replies.
>>> 
>>> Am 15.11.2021 21:35 schrieb Veronica Andreo:
>>>> This is great Moritz! Thanks for taking the lead on this and
>> drafting
>>>> the call!
>>>> Here are my comments/questions:
>>>> - _"be eligible to work in the country in which they reside" -->
>>>> _maybe this is related to them having a tax number or bank
>> account, no
>>>> idea.
>>> 
>>> I think it is more linked to the fact that GSoC pays for a
>> student job, no ? Or is it also considered a grant ?
>>> Maybe we can leave this out and only add it in the future if the
>> issue arises. But IANAL.
>>> 
>>>> Questions might be if the money goes directly from OSGeo to the
>>>> student, won't OSGeo need an invoice? If we pay directly from
>> our bank
>>>> account, do we need it?
>>> 
>>> If necessary we can provide a standard form for requesting the
>> payment of the grant which function as invoice.
>>> 
>>>> - The agreement of a GRASS GIS core developer to mentor the
>> student's
>>>> work --> Maybe no need to be core, perhaps no need to be dev at
>> all if
>>>> the student proposes to create educational material. In any
>> case, some
>>>> sort of mentor would be desired in my opinion.
>>> 
>>> Agreed.
>>> I changed to "an active member of the GRASS GIS community". Not
>> sure how to formulate it differently to ensure inclusion of all
>> categories.
>>> 
>>>> - In the nature of the grant section, should we set a maximum
>>>> duration, eg. 2 months or so?
>>> 
>>> Done
>>> 
>>>> - In the how to apply section: email with proof of eligibility
>> should
>>>> be sent to some of us privately I think for data privacy reasons
>> (?).
>>> 
>>> Yes, that's why I put XYZ as the address. Maybe we can create an
>> @osgeo.org [1] address for this ?
>>> 
>>>> Would be nice to ask them to introduce themselves to the
>> community
>>>> too, no? Probably once accepted.
>>> 
>>> Yes, but not sure this needs to be in the grant procedure
>> description.
>>> 
>>>> - Approval: 2 weeks sound better to me
>>> 
>>> ok, done
>>> 
>>>> - Final report: the report in the wiki seems fine to me, could
>> also be
>>>> the trac wiki where all the GSoC reports live too.
>>> 
>>> I agree, but this raises the more fundamental question whether in
>> the long run we want to continue with two wikis, especially with the
>> trac wiki, knowing that we do not use trac for anything else
>> anymore.
>>> 
>>>> The final report
>>>> could be sent to grass-dev and psc mailing lists.
>>> 
>>> Added.
>>> 
>>> Moritz
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> El lun, 15 nov 2021 a las 13:07, Moritz Lennert
>>>> (<mlennert at club.worldonline.be>) escribió:
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>> Following the discussions at today's PSC I've written a first
>> draft
>>>>> of a
>>>>> call for student grants:
>>>>> https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Student_Grants [2] [1].
>>>>> Several points still need clarification (see comments in
>>>>> [brackets]).
>>>>> Feel free to edit as you see necessary.
>>>>> If we really want to go forward with this still before
>> Christmas,
>>>>> then
>>>>> we need to have the final version ready by end of next week the
>>>>> latest.
>>>>> Enjoy your weekend !
>>>>> Moritz
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>>>> Links:
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>>>> [1] https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Student_Grants [2]
>>>> [2] https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc [3]
>>> 
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>> 
>> Helena Mitasova
>> Professor at the Department of Marine,
>> Earth, and Atmospheric Sciences
>> Associate director and faculty fellow at the Center for Geospatial
>> Analytics
>> North Carolina State University
>> Raleigh, NC 27695-8208
>> hmitaso at ncsu.edu
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> Huidae Cho, Ph.D., GISP, /hidɛ t͡ɕo/, 조희대, 曺喜大
> GRASS GIS Developer
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> Links:
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> [1] http://osgeo.org
> [2] https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Student_Grants
> [3] https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
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