[GRASS-PSC] Voter question

Wed Oct 30 05:02:27 PDT 2024

Ahh, that rules out my second point as a factor, participation was indeed notably lower.

> On 30 Oct 2024, at 11:18, Hernán De Angelis via grass-psc <grass-psc at lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
> 
> Nicklas,
> 
> Thanks for your e-mail.
> 
> You are correct that the nature of the 2020 was different than this one and that might have prompted more participation.
> 
> Those numbers that you ask can be retrieved from the records still in LimeSurvey:
> 
> - 245 registered voters (we had problems with duplicated names and emails, so this number is not exact)
> - 98 voters left complete respones (10 out of 10)
>     - 30 voted at the start with no need to be reminded
>     - 51 voted after first reminder
>     - 7 voted after 2nd reminder
>     - 10 voted after 3rd reminder
> - 78 voters either did not vote or left incomplete responses, resulting in 15 definite votes
> 
> 
> As far as I understand, it is the OSGeo position that LimeSurvey is going to be used long term. I have no problems with this. Perhaps what is needed is if OSGeo could help with a good introduction to LimeSurvey by some knowledgeable expert.
> 
> 
> Hernán
> 
> 
> Den 2024-10-30 kl. 11:03, skrev Nicklas Larsson via grass-psc:
>> Hernán,
>> 
>> I think you did an excellent job, thank you!
>> 
>> There are some differences between this election and the 2020 election, that might have played a role in the seemingly low participation. Firstly, at the 2020 election the whole board was put out on nomination, with a wide range of long-time familiar persons in the Community as nominees, whereas now “only” empty seats were to be refilled (with perhaps partly less familiar nominees for the wider Community). This could in part explain some of the incomplete votes.
>> Secondly, I can’t remember, and the records [1] don't tell, if there were any partial or incomplete votes in 2020. But if we add the complete with the partial votes of this election we come up with 82 voters, which is much closer to the 98 voter participation in 2020. This indicates at least similar level of intent to vote.
>> 
>> For next time, maybe the use of LimeSurvey should be revised, at least tested.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Nicklas
>> 
>> 
>> [1] https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/PSC/Election2020
>> 
>> 
>>> On 28 Oct 2024, at 20:59, Chief Return Officer (CRO) - GRASS GIS election 2024 via grass-psc <grass-psc at lists.osgeo.org> <mailto:grass-psc at lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Michael,
>>> 
>>> I do not understand that part either. Several other elections in LimeSurvey seem to have that "feature", with comparatively many incomplete responses. I had explicitly blocked partial responses: voters had to choose 4 candidates. Yet it happened. I have no explanation for how. May be it has to do with the system itself.
>>> 
>>> But it would be a mistake for us to focus on this aspect of the issue, when the real problem seems to me why so few people felt compelled to vote. Somehow the engagement wasn't there as it was in 2020 (my impression).
>>> 
>>> I sent two reminders in total via LimeSurvey: one on Thursday and another on Sunday. Only 27 people voted between the opening first reminder on Thursday. Between then and Sunday, when I sent the second reminder, only 21 more had voted. After the second reminder and until the closing only 11 more voted. On Friday I also sent a message through the lists. Yet few actively voted. Why? I do not know. I insisted enough I believe. Then there is also a limit on how many reminders you can push via email before wearing people's patience out.
>>> 
>>> Hernán
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Den 2024-10-28 kl. 18:06, skrev Michael Barton:
>>>> While this is a low number, it is better than it seemed from the vote totals at 40%. Of the remaining 60%, I don't quite understand how 23 incomplete ballots resulted in 3 votes but perhaps I misunderstood your point.
>>>> Michael
>>>> _____________________________
>>>> C. Michael Barton
>>>> Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive Systems (https:// scas.asu.edu <http://scas.asu.edu/> <https://scas.asu.edu/>)
>>>> Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social Change (https:// shesc.asu.edu <http://shesc.asu.edu/> <https://shesc.asu.edu <https://shesc.asu.edu/>>)
>>>> Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity (https:// complexity.asu.edu <http://complexity.asu.edu/> <https://complexity.asu.edu <https://complexity.asu.edu/>>)
>>>> Arizona State University
>>>> Tempe, AZ 85287-2701
>>>> USA
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>>>> personal website: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton <http:// www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton <http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton>>
>>>>> On Oct 28, 2024, at 7:35 AM, Chief Return Officer (CRO) - GRASS GIS election 2024 <variablestarlight at gmail.com <mailto:variablestarlight at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Michael
>>>>> 
>>>>> See the summary in the elction Wiki. I see no anomaly, but I share the impression that the participation was lower this time than in 2020.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  * name and e-mail address for 153 eligible voters were loaded
>>>>>  * 5 e-mail addresses were invalid
>>>>>  * 2 voters explicitly declined to participate
>>>>>  * 59 registered voters submitted complete responses (i.e. chose 4
>>>>>    candidates out of 10)
>>>>>  * 87 registered voters either did not participate or submitted empty
>>>>>    or partial responses
>>>>>      o of these, 23 partial or incomplete votes were registered,
>>>>>        resulting in 3 definite votes for 3 different candidates
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/PSC_Election_2024#Details
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Den 2024-10-28 kl. 15:29, skrev Michael Barton:
>>>>>> Thanks for all your work in managing the PSC election Hernán.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Can you tell me how many total people were eligible to vote and how many of them voted? The totals published seem like a very small number.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Michael Barton
>>>>>> School of Human Evolution &Social Change
>>>>>> School of Complex Adaptive System Science
>>>>>> Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity
>>>>>> Arizona State University
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ...Sent from my iPad
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Hernán De Angelis
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chief Return Officer (CRO)
>>>>> GRASS GIS election 2024
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Hernán De Angelis
>>> 
>>> Chief Return Officer (CRO)
>>> GRASS GIS election 2024
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