Folks, I have been trying to FTP to grass.baylor.edu since Satruday Nov. 24. But the connection continues to time out. Is something broken? I want to download GRASS 5.x Thanks, Allen -- Address: Allen Wilkinson (phone) (216) 382-7613 1036 Pembrook Road (work) (216) 433-2075 Cleveland Heights, OH 44121 USA (INTERNET) aw at apk.net