[Incubator] MetaCRS

Cameron Shorter cameron.shorter at gmail.com
Fri Sep 13 20:08:35 PDT 2013

I'm ok with a project being in incubation if the project is making 
steady progress toward an incubation goal. From what I can gather, the 
MetaCRS project has stalled, and as such we should think about options, 
such as incubating the sub-projects of MetaCRS individually.

I think that proj4j is worthy of an OSGeo stamp of approval. I expect 
that proj4j would pass all OSGeo incubation criteria, except the broad 
base of contributors?

The broad base of contributors criteria is a measure of the future 
viability of the project. In the proj4 case, I believe that a strong 
case can be presented that the project would continue on, even if Frank 
were to stop maintaining it tomorrow.
1. There are many technically competent proj4j uses with a vested 
interest in proj4j being maintained. These users would almost certainly 
step up to continue maintaining proj4j if required.
2. proj4j is a very mature code base, which I suspect doesn't require 
much maintenance any more?

As such, I'd like to see a case put forward for proj4 to be incubated, 
as I think it would be voted through by our committee.

On 14/09/13 10:01, Frank Warmerdam wrote:
> Cameron,
> The reason MetaCRS was done as a sort of meta project was that it was 
> perceived that each would be too small on it's own to be considered a 
> viable community. If were to try and incubate them separately, how 
> would we address that concern.  For instance, at least at times PROJ.4 
> has been essentially a one man project despite having a fairly broad 
> user base.
> I had vague aspirations that a sort of community would gel amount the 
> components of the MetaCRS project.  There has been a little synergy 
> out of this, but quite far short of what I might have hoped for in 
> terms of gelling.
> I must say, I'm not sure of the way forward.
> I, personally, am ok with this sitting in incubation of for a while 
> longer but I realize that some other folks on the committee would like 
> to see time horizons shorter than a decade for the incubation process. :-)
> We could actually reasonably easily (IMHO) push the copyright review 
> phase ahead.  But I'm not sure how worthwhile that is without a 
> meaningfully gelled shared community.
> Best regards,
> Frank
> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Cameron Shorter 
> <cameron.shorter at gmail.com <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     Daniel, Frank,
>     I suspect that the grouping of the MetaCRS projects together would
>     be making it hard to complete incubation, because you would be
>     needing to check back on all projects to confirm completion of
>     each incubation step?
>     Maybe a way forward would be to push each project through
>     incubation separately? I suspect that proj4j should be able to fly
>     through the criteria very quickly by itself?
>     On 13/09/13 23:13, Daniel Morissette wrote:
>         Hi Jody, all,
>         I am currently the mentor for the MetaCRS project, which is a
>         kind of a special case because it is an aggregate of multiple
>         CRS-related projects, given that each of them is not big
>         enough on its own, but that the services they provide are
>         critical to all OSGeo software, and we thought that
>         cross-collaboration between those projects can be a great
>         OSGeo asset and a way to raise their respective bus numbers.
>         I still believe that MetaCRS should try to get through
>         incubation, but I can't find the time to work with them in a
>         proactive way towards that (and they have not made that a
>         priority either).
>         All this to say that if another experienced mentor is
>         interested, then it may be a good idea that I leave this
>         project to a new mentor to work with the MetaCRS projects to
>         figure how to handle their special situation and get them
>         through incubation.
>         The lead of the MetaCRS project is Frank Warmerdam BTW.
>         Any volunteer?
>         Daniel
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