[Incubator] [Board] Incubation <s>nightmare</s> question
Jody Garnett
jody.garnett at gmail.com
Tue Jan 27 15:20:08 PST 2015
That is correct. Incubation is a subcommittee, when a project is ready to
enter incubation (or graduate) we place an agenda item on the next board
meeting.
In this case Arnulf made a motion, which was not accepted due to lack of
response from incubation committee members.
We can make the motion again, and I can personally email incubation
committee members.
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Jody
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Jody Garnett
On 27 January 2015 at 00:19, Massimiliano Cannata <
massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch> wrote:
> Dear all,
> if you are looking for a place where the incubation process is described,
> here it is: http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/process.html
>
> The document is Version: 1.2, with Status: approved and Last Edited: May
> 15, 2014.
>
> Point 4 states: "The chairman of IncCom presents projects selected for
> Incubation to the OSGeo Board of Directors for acceptance or deferral."
>
> So it seems to me that the OSGeo Board of Director has to vote for a
> project to enter in incubation.
>
> Cheers,
> Maxi
>
>
>
> Il giorno Mon Jan 26 2015 at 8:09:33 PM Paul Spencer <pagameba at gmail.com>
> ha scritto:
>
> I haven't actively participated in IncCom in a while, so I may be a bit
>> out of date but my understanding of the process is that there is no need
>> for the board to vote on projects entering incubation, only for
>> graduating. You are effectively in incubation because you have been
>> assigned a mentor. There is definitely a breakdown in the process if that
>> was not made clear to you or if your project has not been listed in the
>> list of projects 'in incubation'.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On Jan 26, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Massimiliano Cannata <
>> massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch> wrote:
>>
>> Just for the records,
>> the project was not passively waiting.
>>
>> I have asked a couple of time to go on [1] and [2], but I didn't get any
>> feedback. It doesn't seems to me that Arnulf has to make the motion as the
>> document you mentioned states: "The chairman of IncCom presents projects
>> selected for Incubation"
>>
>> That's all from my side, it seems that now I got the attention, but let
>> me say this should not be like that and I wanted to rise the issue.
>>
>> BTW: "Apologize me but I completely forgot about you would have been nice
>> to be heard."
>>
>> [1] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/incubator/2014-June/002434.html
>> [2] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/incubator/2014-September/002477.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2015-01-26 16:55 GMT+01:00 Stephen Woodbridge <woodbri at swoodbridge.com>:
>>
>>> At the risk of butting in where I'm not wanted. There is a process
>>> documented here:
>>>
>>> http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/process.html
>>>
>>> It seems like you have gotten through step 3 because you have a mentor
>>> assigned.
>>>
>>> Step 4: The chairman of IncCom presents projects selected for Incubation
>>> to the OSGeo Board of Directors for acceptance or deferral.
>>>
>>> seems like it could use some additional details, like how are projects
>>> selected to be presented to the board? I would assume (maybe wrongly) that
>>> the mentor asks for this to happen once they think the project as met
>>> enough of the steps to be approved.
>>>
>>> We have a Graduation check list, maybe we also need a Acceptance check
>>> list? so it is clear what is required to be complete before being accepted.
>>> I think that this has generally been communicated between the mentor and
>>> the project in other situations.
>>>
>>> In general, it is up to the project to take the lead and to drive the
>>> effort. The project should be asking the mentor what to we need to do? we
>>> did this, is it complete enough? What is the next step for us? etc. If a
>>> project is passively waiting, then I'm pretty sure nothing is happening.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> -Steve
>>>
>>> There are lots of documents if you google: osgeo incubation process
>>> but the problem seems to be a lack of communication between your project
>>> and your mentor that has lead to misaligned expectations.
>>>
>>> On 1/26/2015 10:08 AM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Arnulf, Cameron and All,
>>>> I wrote this e-mail because I don't think istSOS is in incubation.
>>>>
>>>> This is because:
>>>> - i din't receive any confirmation from anybody about that
>>>> - istSOS is not listed in the "incubating" projects
>>>> - in all the presentations I saw that mentioned OSGeo projects and
>>>> incubation project istSOS has been never mentioned
>>>>
>>>> I think, that the board should vote on this. Am I wrong?
>>>>
>>>> I didn't stress the mentor (Arnulf) because I think he will help me in
>>>> achieve incubation requirements and improve the project, up to be able
>>>> to graduate, eventually; not in bypassing forgetfulness or inattention
>>>> in the procedure.
>>>>
>>>> As soon as istSOS knows is in incubation, it might start to stress the
>>>> Mentor to see what it miss (I believe a lot of things!!)
>>>>
>>>> This mail "incubation nigthmare" was to underline that something is not
>>>> working in the procedure of incubation.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe istSOS will never be able to incubate, but at least starting would
>>>> be a good point.
>>>>
>>>> Maxi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Il giorno Mon Jan 26 2015 at 1:52:08 PM Seven (aka Arnulf)
>>>> <seven at arnulf.us <mailto:seven at arnulf.us>> ha scritto:
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Massimiliano,
>>>> before calling all of Incubation a nightmare I would suggest to
>>>> check
>>>> what may have gone bad in your specific case. I am the assigned
>>>> mentor
>>>> for istSOS so ideally you should first contact me directly before
>>>> frustrating all on this list, right?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Your last mail to me dates from April 24 2014 [0] and the first
>>>> thing
>>>> you say is that you can easily retrieve a "code agreement" - but I
>>>> have
>>>> not yet seen this manifest anywhere. So how to proceed?
>>>>
>>>> To me the most problematic section in the Incubation process of
>>>> istSOS
>>>> is the "Community Functioning". If you look at the Wiki web site [1]
>>>> there are still quite a few "tba" (does that mean "to be added"?).
>>>> Please add.
>>>>
>>>> The IstSOS Provenance Review page [2] in the Wiki is still not
>>>> populated
>>>> at all. Please add.
>>>>
>>>> Until those questions are answered I don't think that the project is
>>>> ready to graduate.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [later]
>>>> Admittedly I was somewhat annoyed by your mail.
>>>>
>>>> ...but now that I read maybe there has been a general
>>>> misunderstanding.
>>>> In my opinion IstSOS is already in incubation and I am just waiting
>>>> for
>>>> results. Rereading your mail it appears that you are still expecting
>>>> some confirmation from the board level? Right?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In general projects seem to expect the mentor to do all the work to
>>>> get
>>>> their project through incubation. This is not so - at least not
>>>> from my
>>>> perspective which may obviously be wrong. In my understanding the
>>>> mentor
>>>> is there to help if there are process questions, recommend a way
>>>> forward
>>>> in a tricky situation and to make a pre-check of the status of the
>>>> project to be able to recommend graduation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Which is what I tried to achieve with this mail. Did it work?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Have fun,
>>>> Arnulf
>>>>
>>>> [0]
>>>> http://lists.osgeo.org/__pipermail/incubator/2014-__
>>>> April/002389.html <http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/incubator/2014-
>>>> April/002389.html>
>>>> [1]
>>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/__IstSOS_Incubation_Status#__
>>>> Community_Functioning
>>>> <http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/IstSOS_Incubation_Status#
>>>> Community_Functioning>
>>>> [2] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/__IstSOS_Provenance_Review
>>>>
>>>> <http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/IstSOS_Provenance_Review>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 24.01.2015 17:58, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
>>>> > Dear incubation committee,
>>>> > I'm embarassed in writing this email...
>>>> >
>>>> > but after a very very long waiting I have to complain for the
>>>> treatment
>>>> > the istsos software is receiving.
>>>> >
>>>> > Is the same for all the software or just this project is not
>>>> considered?
>>>> >
>>>> > Almost one year ago I apply for entering incubation, the
>>>> committee asks
>>>> > me to follow the procedure with form.. Then ticket.. And I fill
>>>> everything.
>>>> >
>>>> > The committee said we need a mentor, Arnulf volunteered, and the
>>>> > committee, I think, voted approving istsos to pass in incubation.
>>>> >
>>>> > Then?.... Nothing... And one year is passed!
>>>> >
>>>> > I think the committee shall make a motion to the board to
>>>> approve the
>>>> > decision, but it never happened.
>>>> >
>>>> > The result? Istsos is not in incubation: not in the website nor
>>>> in any
>>>> > talk I have followed.
>>>> >
>>>> > Why making a motion is so difficult?
>>>> >
>>>> > If this is the treatment for new software approaching our
>>>> community I
>>>> > believe something does not work at all!
>>>> >
>>>> > I know people are volunteer and not paid, but the welcome steps
>>>> are
>>>> > minimal: reading a page, vote, and make a motion.
>>>> >
>>>> > If we get stack here, and after several remainders from my side,
>>>> this is
>>>> > really discouraging.
>>>> >
>>>> > Sorry for this email.
>>>> >
>>>> > Massimiliano
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
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>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - --
>>>> Exploring Space, Time and Mind
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