[Incubator] osgeo innovator (was labs)
Stephen Woodbridge
woodbri at swoodbridge.com
Fri Feb 5 07:08:14 PST 2016
This is likely the case for many of the projects I'm involved in,
pgRouting, geocoding, vehicle routing problems. Geocoding will probably
get integrated into PostGIS but as individual FOSS4G projects they will
likely never get through incubation because they will lack the broad
community support to be viable. These are none the less key components
in the geospatial landscape.
pgrouting is a good example of a project that has been around for 10+
years and has made an effort in the past to get ready for incubation but
we gave up when we realized we would not meet the community requirements
or having enough developers supporting it. But in every other way we are
OSGeo, we have mentored something like 7-8 years of GSoC projects and
about 12 students under OSGeo, the code is OpenSource, we collaborate
with PostGIS team, etc.
So I think providing support and shelter for projects like these is
important to OSGeo. And might want to look at the incubation rules or
levels of integration with OSGeo to make it easier for projects like
these to be part of OSGeo.
My thoughts,
-Steve
On 2/5/2016 4:30 AM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
> If I can add something,
> I believe the question is that a small project could be the best on the
> earth but specific enough / complicated enough not to meet the interest
> of a large community.
>
> Does it means the project is not good and applicable or ready to the
> main street?
> I don't believe this is true.
>
> Maybe not correct example could be the electric cars:
> - do they work good? can they be recommended? are they ready for the
> market? can they circulate? Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes
> - are they so widley used? No
>
> It would be a pity not to promote what is working perfectly but not yet
> diffused because of marketing / economic value.
>
>
> Maxi
>
>
>
>
>
> 2016-02-05 9:45 GMT+01:00 Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com
> <mailto:jody.garnett at gmail.com>>:
>
> I think the point was this could be a place for projects that are
> open source ... but too small for main street. Projects will stay
> here, and may never meet our risk based graduation requirements.
>
> We do want these projects to be open source, correctly license and
> spatial. But that is about it for constraints.
>
> Heh - we could borrow the foss4g name it is nice and inclusive.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 7:06 PM Stephen Woodbridge
> <woodbri at swoodbridge.com <mailto:woodbri at swoodbridge.com>> wrote:
>
> For names, how about:
>
> OSGeo Shed
> OSGeo Project Shed
> OSGeo Project Barn
> OSGeo Garage
>
> the place where projects live until they are ready for the main
> street.
>
> Names are hard!
>
> -Steve
>
> On 2/4/2016 8:22 PM, Landon Blake wrote:
> > Agreed. We should just get the shed painted.
> >
> > Landon
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Jody Garnett
> <jody.garnett at gmail.com <mailto:jody.garnett at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:jody.garnett at gmail.com
> <mailto:jody.garnett at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > I will point out that naming is a classic bike shed
> problem. I think
> > we should ask the projects in "labs" and get their take
> on this.
> >
> > --
> > Jody Garnett
> >
> > On 4 February 2016 at 13:12, Landon Blake
> > <sunburned.surveyor at gmail.com
> <mailto:sunburned.surveyor at gmail.com>
> <mailto:sunburned.surveyor at gmail.com
> <mailto:sunburned.surveyor at gmail.com>>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > I like "Innovator". What about "Community Builder
> Project"?
> >
> > Landon
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Jody Garnett
> > <jody.garnett at gmail.com
> <mailto:jody.garnett at gmail.com> <mailto:jody.garnett at gmail.com
> <mailto:jody.garnett at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > I hear you, and you are correct that innovation
> can happen
> > anywhere. I look forward to alternate name
> suggestions.
> > "Experiment" would do a disservice to a completed
> project
> > that does not yet have a large/diverse enough
> community to
> > meet our graduation requirements.
> >
> > My fellow board members were a bit startled that our
> > incubation policies do inhibit the support
> smaller projects,
> > and would like an avenue to support innovation.
> It may be
> > that both these objectives cannot be met with the
> same
> > initiative, but I would like to try.
> >
> > --
> > Jody Garnett
> >
> > On 3 February 2016 at 23:47, Jeroen Ticheler
> > <jeroen.ticheler at geocat.net
> <mailto:jeroen.ticheler at geocat.net>
> > <mailto:jeroen.ticheler at geocat.net
> <mailto:jeroen.ticheler at geocat.net>>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jody,
> > I understand the naming confusion. The
> Innovator name
> > however has IMO a negative reflection on the
> established
> > projects. Are new projects necessarily more
> innovative
> > than established ones? Often they are still
> so small
> > they don't have established
> communities/structures etc
> > in place. That's indeed why the Labs were
> created.
> > I will think about another potential name and
> I hope
> > others feel the same and will also think of an
> > alternative naming for the Labs. I remember
> you saying
> > something like Hatching (synonym of
> incubating, so maybe
> > to co fusing).
> > Maybe OSGeo Experiments.
> > Cheers,
> > Jeroen
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> > > Op 4 feb. 2016 om 03:25 heeft Jody Garnett
> > <jody.garnett at gmail.com
> <mailto:jody.garnett at gmail.com> <mailto:jody.garnett at gmail.com
> <mailto:jody.garnett at gmail.com>>>
> > het volgende geschreven:
> > >
> > > A couple of results for the incubation
> team out of
> > the weekend's board meeting.
> > >
> > > We have the "GeoForAll Labs" and our OSGeo
> labs
> > projects - and the two names trip on each other.
> > >
> > > Board members were also a bit taken aback
> that our
> > incubation process is not really "welcome" to
> innovation
> > (indeed our graduation requirements tend to
> favour
> > established projects).
> > >
> > > With that in mind - I would like to kick off:
> > >
> > > 1) Renaming OSGeo Labs as OSGeo Innovator
> > >
> > > The branding for this is way better for
> projects!
> > Having an "OSGeo Innovator" badge on your
> home page is
> > way more "positive" an impression.
> > >
> > > 2) Revise the procedures around this activity
> > >
> > > My first take is:
> > > - provide a home for small project teams /
> single
> > organization projects
> > > - focus on new projects (so provide README,
> > CONTRIBUTING, PSC files for a project to copy
> into github)
> > > - stick to our "open source" and "open
> development" guns!
> > > - "save the sticker" until on-boarding is
> complete
> > > --
> > > Jody Garnett
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