[Incubator] Motion: Rasdaman ready to graduate from OSGeo Incubation

Wed May 4 09:08:48 PDT 2016

-1 based on the project governance issue. I'd be +1 if we can get that
fixed.

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 2:42 AM, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>
wrote:

> -1 on rasdaman incubation until the Governance question is resolved, which
> is a bigger question than just rasdaman, and I'm expecting will take a
> number of weeks to resolve. Cameron
>
>
> On 4/05/2016 2:36 pm, Jody Garnett wrote:
>
> -1 but in the PSC sense where I will work to find a solution.
>
> We the incubation cannot relax this core tenant of our foundation (it is
> in our objectives as an organization). But I will ask the board to consider
> the idea in the next board meeting.
>
> Can I kindly suggest that the project request to be listed as a community
> project while this is looked at.
>
> I am a bit disappointed to be at this impasse, but thank everyone involved
> for the clear and polite communication.
> On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 6:45 PM Bruce Bannerman <
> bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Bruce Bannerman <
>> <bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com>bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Incubation Committee,
>>>
>>> We have two days left to vote on this motion.
>>>
>>> There has been sufficient discussion to thrash out the issues.
>>>
>>> Given the nature of the vote and the six years of effort that the
>>> Rasdaman Community have put into meeting OSGeo Incubation requirements, I
>>> would like to see a strong indication of Committee Member's views on this
>>> issue.
>>>
>>> I personally don't believe that there is room for Committee Members to
>>> sit on the fence and not make a call on this.
>>>
>>> Remember, we are making a recommendation to the OSGeo Board.
>>>
>>> The Board will have the final decision.
>>>
>>> We have the following response after twelve days of voting:
>>>
>>>    - Bruce Bannerman
>>>    - Bob (CI-StPaul) Basques
>>>    - Landon Blake
>>>    - Howard Butler
>>>    - Arnulf Christl
>>>    - Jody Garnett
>>>    - Dimitris Kotzinos
>>>    - Tom Kralidis
>>>    - Julien-Samuel Lacroix
>>>    - Mark Lucas
>>>    - Steve Lime
>>>    - Daniel Morissette
>>>    - Markus Schneider
>>>    - Cameron Shorter
>>>    - Jeroen Ticheler
>>>    - Norman Vine
>>>    - Frank Warmerdam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruce Bannerman
>>> OSGeo Mentor for Rasdaman
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Bruce Bannerman < <bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com>
>>> bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 9:11 AM
>>> Subject: Motion: Rasdaman ready to graduate from OSGeo Incubation
>>> To: "Incubator at lists.osgeo.org" <incubator at lists.osgeo.org>
>>> Cc: "<rasdaman-users at googlegroups.com>" <rasdaman-users at googlegroups.com>,
>>> "<rasdaman-dev at googlegroups.com>" <rasdaman-dev at googlegroups.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> Take 2
>>>
>>> Dear Incubation Committee,
>>>
>>> After a long six years of effort, I'd like to recommend that Rasdaman is
>>> ready for graduation from the OSGeo Incubation process.
>>>
>>> You will find the Incubation Checklist at:
>>>
>>> http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeoIncubationChecklist
>>>
>>> I believe that the Rasdaman community have met our requirements to
>>> graduate from incubation.
>>>
>>> I have found the community to be robust and very active attracting
>>> contributors from many corners of the globe.
>>>
>>> The project is attracting quite a bit of interest, together with
>>> European Union funding for additional development that appears to be going
>>> into the open source version of the product.
>>>
>>> I have also noted that Rasdaman Gmbh is also moving some of their
>>> previously proprietary capability into the open source version.
>>>
>>> Peter Bauman, the man behind Rasdaman is also making very significant
>>> and noteworthy contributions to the world of open spatial standards through
>>> his work within OGC and W3C Spatial Data on the Web Working Group. Rasdaman
>>> is an OGC Reference implementation of several WCS related standards from
>>> memory.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I do have a reservation though:
>>>
>>> While I see that Rasdaman is meeting the requirements of the OSGeo
>>> Incubation process, I do feel that it is not meeting the spirit of
>>> Incubation.
>>>
>>> As an example control of the project is still tightly controlled around
>>> Rasdaman GMbh:
>>>
>>> - Two of the three members of the Rasdaman PSC are members of Rasdaman
>>> Gmbh;
>>> - Project technical design and strategic directions are tightly
>>> controlled and do not appear to be openly discussed on public emailing
>>> lists. Things 'just happen'; and
>>> - The Rasdaman-PSC email list contains no emails [1].
>>>
>>> I do know of one or two attempts to try to get public discussion going
>>> about strategic technical direction, however I did not see much activity
>>> related to it. This is probably symptomatic of the lack of a serious
>>> attempt at community consultation on strategic and technical design issues
>>> to date.
>>>
>>> My advice to the Rasdaman Community is that for you to truly thrive as
>>> an open source community, you will need to look closely at this issue and
>>> address it proactively. It is your project!
>>>
>>> Bruce Bannerman
>>> OSGeo Mentor for Rasdaman
>>>
>>> [1] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/rasdaman-psc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> The checklist ( <http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeoIncubationChecklist>
>>> http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeoIncubationChecklist) seems complete.
>>> The last communication from Bruce was also positive, but did not elicit a
>>> response from this mailing list.
>>>
>>> I recommend Bruce invite discussion/review of checklist and prep a
>>> recommendation for graduation (if he is comfortable doing so at this time).
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jody Garnett
>>>
>>> On 21 April 2016 at 00:55, Peter Baumann <
>>> <p.baumann at jacobs-university.de>p.baumann at jacobs-university.de> wrote:
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> just a brief question, what are the plans about rasdaman incubation?
>>> Last communication was 7 months ago, and this April we had our 6th
>>> anniversary
>>> of entering incubation.
>>>
>>> thanks for sharing your thoughts,
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dr. Peter Baumann
>>>  - Professor of Computer Science, Jacobs University Bremen
>>>    <http://www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann>
>>> www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann
>>>    mail: <p.baumann at jacobs-university.de>p.baumann at jacobs-university.de
>>>    tel: +49-421-200-3178, fax: +49-421-200-493178
>>>  - Executive Director, rasdaman GmbH Bremen (HRB 26793)
>>>    <http://www.rasdaman.com>www.rasdaman.com, mail:
>>> <baumann at rasdaman.com>baumann at rasdaman.com
>>>    tel: 0800-rasdaman, fax: 0800-rasdafax, mobile: +49-173-5837882
>>> "Si forte in alienas manus oberraverit hec peregrina epistola incertis
>>> ventis dimissa, sed Deo commendata, precamur ut ei reddatur cui soli
>>> destinata, nec preripiat quisquam non sibi parata." (mail disclaimer, AD
>>> 1083)
>>>
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