[Incubator] discussion on osgeo projects, osgeo community and incubation

[Angelos Tzotsos]

Looking at the Apache Foundation web-site, I see that only graduated
projects are listed:
https://www.apache.org/index.html#projects-list

Projects under incubation are only listed under a specific page:
https://incubator.apache.org/





On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Personally I like having two categories of project: osgeo community and
> osgeo project.
>
> While I am fine if projects use the "osgeo incubation" logo on their web
> site (to document their participation in this program) perhaps we can ask
> that links to their "incubation checklist" (make it a tool for
> transparency).
>
> I think we would do the public, and the foundation, a disservice if we let
> "incubation" be a mark of recommendation, the somewhat heated discussion
> about this leads me to believe it is being viewed as such currently.
>
>
>
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
> On 2 August 2017 at 17:11, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The last group to contact is of course us, the volunteers on the
>> incubation committee. Do any committee members or mentors have a
>> perspective on this they would like to share?
>>
>> --
>> Jody Garnett
>>
>> On 2 August 2017 at 14:06, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have contacted the developer list of each incubating project to ask.
>>> It is also a good chance to share the new branding in time for foss4g.
>>>
>>> The only odd one was the Team ENGINE project, which has not mentioned
>>> incubation in any of their emails since joining in 2013.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jody Garnett
>>>
>>> On 1 August 2017 at 08:47, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A discussion has started up on the marketing and board email lists -
>>>> that may require a meeting of the incubation committee.
>>>>
>>>> Can I ask how many projects want an special incubation logo? I
>>>> understand being proud of the commitment made to enter incubation :)
>>>>
>>>> Here is the email I sent to the board:
>>>>
>>>> *I am staring a new thread so the marketing committee can focus on the
>>>> printing deadline for boston.*
>>>>
>>>> *Projects are starting to update to the new branding which is great -
>>>> we have two branding available:*
>>>>
>>>> *- https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/tree/master/incubation/project
>>>> <https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/tree/master/incubation/project>*
>>>> *- https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/tree/master/incubation/community
>>>> <https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/tree/master/incubation/community>*
>>>>
>>>> *Projects that are part of our incubation process fall under community
>>>> projects, they have met our standards for being open source, spatial and
>>>> participatory and are being promoted as part of our foundation along side
>>>> their fellow community projects pgrouting and geowebcache.*
>>>>
>>>> *For reference the prior branding is
>>>> here https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Community_Projects#Comparison_with_Incubation
>>>> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Community_Projects#Comparison_with_Incubation>*
>>>>
>>>> *The larger story is the focus not on our foundation, but on the
>>>> software projects and outreach.*
>>>>
>>>> ** As such the incubation process is no longer called out on our
>>>> website (or in our branding) because it does not have any significance to
>>>> website visitors. Incubation is an internal process of our software
>>>> foundation - it does not earn its keep introducing a "third branding" if we
>>>> cannot explain succinctly what it actually means for potential users of the
>>>> software.*
>>>>
>>>> ** The board introduced the idea of community projects in response to a
>>>> call to be more inclusive and allow innovation*
>>>>
>>>> ** Including more projects in our community does not detract from the
>>>> projects that were already in our community. We are doing more for software
>>>> projects at OSGeo to help everyone.*
>>>>
>>>> *We have been avoiding a difficult conversation on osgeo project
>>>> quality on and off since January. At our most recent F2F meeting we took
>>>> some action items to hear a report from Maxi and Jeff McKenna (in Boston?
>>>> details still be arranged). The question of what we have to offer community
>>>> projects and osgeo projects, and what we expect in return, should be
>>>> considered in one go to be fair to everyone.*
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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-- 
Angelos Tzotsos, PhD
OSGeo Charter Member
http://users.ntua.gr/tzotsos
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