[Incubator] discussion on osgeo projects, osgeo community and incubation

[Jody Garnett]

I really like the writing on the top of the incubator.apache.org page,
thanks for that.

A bit more research, eclipse lists them all together, flagging projects in
incubation:

https://projects.eclipse.org/search/projects
https://www.locationtech.org/list-of-projects

Indeed it looks like they do not get to use their own logo until they
graduate (that would be tough on our community).


--
Jody Garnett

On 8 August 2017 at 04:41, Angelos Tzotsos <gcpp.kalxas at gmail.com> wrote:

> Looking at the Apache Foundation web-site, I see that only graduated
> projects are listed:
> https://www.apache.org/index.html#projects-list
>
> Projects under incubation are only listed under a specific page:
> https://incubator.apache.org/
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Personally I like having two categories of project: osgeo community and
>> osgeo project.
>>
>> While I am fine if projects use the "osgeo incubation" logo on their web
>> site (to document their participation in this program) perhaps we can ask
>> that links to their "incubation checklist" (make it a tool for
>> transparency).
>>
>> I think we would do the public, and the foundation, a disservice if we
>> let "incubation" be a mark of recommendation, the somewhat heated
>> discussion about this leads me to believe it is being viewed as such
>> currently.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jody Garnett
>>
>> On 2 August 2017 at 17:11, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The last group to contact is of course us, the volunteers on the
>>> incubation committee. Do any committee members or mentors have a
>>> perspective on this they would like to share?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jody Garnett
>>>
>>> On 2 August 2017 at 14:06, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have contacted the developer list of each incubating project to ask.
>>>> It is also a good chance to share the new branding in time for foss4g.
>>>>
>>>> The only odd one was the Team ENGINE project, which has not mentioned
>>>> incubation in any of their emails since joining in 2013.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>
>>>> On 1 August 2017 at 08:47, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A discussion has started up on the marketing and board email lists -
>>>>> that may require a meeting of the incubation committee.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can I ask how many projects want an special incubation logo? I
>>>>> understand being proud of the commitment made to enter incubation :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is the email I sent to the board:
>>>>>
>>>>> *I am staring a new thread so the marketing committee can focus on the
>>>>> printing deadline for boston.*
>>>>>
>>>>> *Projects are starting to update to the new branding which is great -
>>>>> we have two branding available:*
>>>>>
>>>>> *- https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/tree/master/incubation/project
>>>>> <https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/tree/master/incubation/project>*
>>>>> *- https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/tree/master/incubation/community
>>>>> <https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/tree/master/incubation/community>*
>>>>>
>>>>> *Projects that are part of our incubation process fall under community
>>>>> projects, they have met our standards for being open source, spatial and
>>>>> participatory and are being promoted as part of our foundation along side
>>>>> their fellow community projects pgrouting and geowebcache.*
>>>>>
>>>>> *For reference the prior branding is
>>>>> here https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Community_Projects#Comparison_with_Incubation
>>>>> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Community_Projects#Comparison_with_Incubation>*
>>>>>
>>>>> *The larger story is the focus not on our foundation, but on the
>>>>> software projects and outreach.*
>>>>>
>>>>> ** As such the incubation process is no longer called out on our
>>>>> website (or in our branding) because it does not have any significance to
>>>>> website visitors. Incubation is an internal process of our software
>>>>> foundation - it does not earn its keep introducing a "third branding" if we
>>>>> cannot explain succinctly what it actually means for potential users of the
>>>>> software.*
>>>>>
>>>>> ** The board introduced the idea of community projects in response to
>>>>> a call to be more inclusive and allow innovation*
>>>>>
>>>>> ** Including more projects in our community does not detract from the
>>>>> projects that were already in our community. We are doing more for software
>>>>> projects at OSGeo to help everyone.*
>>>>>
>>>>> *We have been avoiding a difficult conversation on osgeo project
>>>>> quality on and off since January. At our most recent F2F meeting we took
>>>>> some action items to hear a report from Maxi and Jeff McKenna (in Boston?
>>>>> details still be arranged). The question of what we have to offer community
>>>>> projects and osgeo projects, and what we expect in return, should be
>>>>> considered in one go to be fair to everyone.*
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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>
> --
> Angelos Tzotsos, PhD
> OSGeo Charter Member
> http://users.ntua.gr/tzotsos
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