[Industry] development model vs business model

[Jachym Cepicky]

I like the "Fair trade open source" term

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On Aug 22, 2014 2:28 PM, "Dirk Frigne" <dirk.frigne at geosparc.com> wrote:

> reacting on the comments of Mateusz:
>
> On 22-08-14 12:03, Dirk Frigne wrote:
> > Sorry for crossposting, but this snippet from the thread
> > "[Conference-europe] when and where " in the
> > conference-europe at lists.osgeo.org is very interesting for the industry
> > list, which was created in response to a detected need on the first
> > FOSS4G-Europe conference in Bremen last July.
> >
> > As summer holiday's  are coming to an end, maybe a good time to start
> > discusing more in depth how open source as a development model could be
> > integrated/used in bussines.
> >
> >
> > On 22-08-14 11:27, Mateusz Łoskot wrote:
> > [...]
> >> Rather business than commercial (just words, I know)
> >> Yes, I started wondering if we all mean the same.
> >> To me:
> >>
> >> FOSS4G + commercial = uses of FOSS4G in commercial solutions (i.e. use
> >> FOSS4G to make
> >> money through integration, bundles, support, etc./)
> >>
> >> FOSS4G + proprietary = similar, but slightly different as it means
> >> direct inclusion of FOSS4G
> >> (where licence allows) in proprietary software solutions (i.e. I sell
> >> my application X which uses GDAL)
> I agree with the difference you make. I have a comment on:
> "Where license allows":
> this should be part of a separate discussion. Within the geomajas
> community we have made the choice for the AGPL license model. Although
> this seems a license where you at first sight think 'not allowed in
> proprietary solutions', there is a way to license the technology through
> a business company, combining best of both worlds. This results in
> benefits for the geomajas community and the framework.
>
> >>
> >> Finally, we have general issue of FOSS4G vs business which to me
> >> covers (FOSS4G + commercial) + (FOSS4G + proprietary)
> >>
> >> IMHO, it's important to discuss such differences as one may ask: can I
> >> present, at the FOSS4G Europe,
> >> my proprietary software based on OSGeo projects, explain why I use it,
> >> and how I contribute back to Open Source?
> IMHO this should be possible. Business is not bad. Earning money with
> open source should be promoted by our community. But I think we should
> declare some guidelines on "ethical and respectfull business". Just like
> "Fair trade coffee" we should define rules what is ethical correct and
> what not to call something "Fair Trade Open Source".
> f.e. using open source work of a party, earning a lot of money with it,
> and not contributing back seems not fitting under that principle.
> I want to set up a thread about what do we understand under "Fair Trade
> Open Source" business. And I think presenting examples of proprietary
> software can help in defining these ethics.
>
> Another topic I want to touch is why are we committing time and money to
> open source? (for sure because it gives us something back, but is this
> the only driver?)
>
> As mentioned before, open source is a development process, not a
> business model, but I think open source is more than a development process.
>
> <*bold statement*>open source is/should be a humanitarian right. <*/bold
> statement*>
>
> As the world is evolving so fast, and we become more and more depended
> on technology, technology should be one of the goods we should share
> among each other.
> It is never a good idea that one party becomes to powerful, that they,
> as one party can decide on what software we should use, and control all
> the data that is flowing in these proprietary software black boxes.
>
> Open source gives the opportunity to small and medium businesses and
> individuals to remain committed to the technological evolution, without
> the obligation to belong to a big company, owner of a big proprietary
> software stack , where they can continue build on top of what they
> accumulated, making it more and more difficult for new kids on the block
> to enter the market.
>
> Of course proprietary  'parts' of a software stack are important,
> because the world needs incentives to invest in new technology, new
> systems, solving challenging problems. And the business world will look
> for opportunities to help solving these problems, if they can protect
> their investment and make money with it.
>
> This is not wrong, neither that a company tries to protect her own
> business.
> But the same as with all other systems (like the difference today
> between the 1% rich people worldwide owning xx% of the money, and the
> 99% rest of the world owning almost nothing.
>
> We also have to be careful we keep remaining the right to write software
> for (open) hardware, processing (open) data.
>
> And this is also the reason why business and open source is important.
> And why we should think about "Fair trade open source" business. Which
> can be business with proprietary software, based on open source. (FOSS4G
> + proprietary) or integration and bundel of processes (FOSS4G + Commercial)
>
> my 2c
>
> Regards,
> D.
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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