[Industry] development model vs business model

Dirk Frigne dirk.frigne at geosparc.com
Thu Aug 28 01:20:14 PDT 2014


Jachym,

I was aware of the blog of Steve since the publication of it.
Although many idea's are parallel with the thoughts I have of
#fairtradeopensource, an important difference is 'it's all about *me*'
concept ad in Paul's talk is indicated.

This is certainly a good first step, but where we should aim to is the
'it's all about *WE*' like described in my nomination toughts [1]:

What does the WE community look like?

    - Its culture is based on principles, not power or politics.
    - Building and maintaining high trust is central to how people work together — not fear.
    - There is a clear strategic direction.
    - Strategic decisions are made by consensus among the senior leadership.
    - Leadership is situational rather than positional. Everyone has the capacity to lead at any given point in time based on their knowledge and skills.
    - Individuals subordinate their personal self-interest to the good of the whole.
    - The workforce owns the work processes.
    - There is transparency in how the organization operates. Secrecy creates distrust.
    - The organization’s design is flat and team-based; gone are the days of the pyramid.
    - People work collaboratively for the good of the whole. Independent achievers need not apply.
    - Accountability happens at the level of self, within teams, and based on results.
    - People are rewarded in part for achievement of organization goals, in part for their team work, and in part for their personal development and contribution to the whole.

and most of all, in a #fairtradeopensource world I want also respect for
the authors and contributors of LGPL and similar license models. Not
only in committing time and cash, but also by contributing cash by those
other projects (GPL, AGPL and similar), but also the proprietary users,
to pay for further development of these projects.
For research and development.

I didn't know how to formulate it, but this is the kernel of an idea I
am already a long time playing with.


On 27-08-14 20:06, Jachym Cepicky wrote:
>
> Steve, your blog post and Paul's talk are inspirations to this thread,
> I'm aware of it. But maybe someone else is not, so please read. It
> does not use the term #fairtradeopensource (Dirk's invention?*) But it
> is describing it.
>
* I wanted to embed the term 'Fair trade open source' already in my
keynote presentation in Boucharest :-). [2], but it was removed from an
early version to focus on the story about eco-systems. Which is a very
basic need. Before we can introduce other more complex concepts, we need
a common community feeling of what the community wants.
As 'open source and business' was picked up by a lot of our members.
This list is a good starting point to work further on these idea's so I
thought it would be interesting to test the idea in this workgroup. It
was introduced in this thread [3] last week.

But as already indicated by others: determining the real value is a
difficult process.
I can feel however the progress in the discussions and the way it is
picked up by more and more members from the community. Not only the
'consultants' and 'entrepreneurs' amongst us, but members from the whole
community. (gov agents, end users and universities). Which is a need for
a good concept. The aim should be that the idea's are carried by a large
part of the 'broader than OSGeo' community.

Once we have some more or less good ethical rule set, we should discuss
this with other OS communities. (maybe a topic for our devroom on
FOSSDEM in januari Belgium?[4])
>
> Read it!
>
> Jachym
>
> Send from cellphone
>
my 2c

D.
[1] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-August/013501.html
[2] http://2013.foss4g-cee.org/program/keynote-speakers
[3] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/industry/2014-August/000010.html
[4] https://locationtech.org/mhonarc/lists/location-iwg/msg00721.html
>
> -- 
> Jachym Cepicky
> e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com
> URL: http://les-ejk.cz
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>
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>
> On Aug 27, 2014 6:50 PM, "Steven Feldman" <shfeldman at gmail.com
> <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi I have been meaning to chip in on this thread for a while as it
>     is paralleling some thoughts that I have had
>     see http://knowwhereconsulting.co.uk/there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-free-lunch/ 
>
>
>     There is no one simple answer that will work for all companies and
>     users but I think the underlying principle is that we encourage
>     people/organisations who use FOSS4G to contribute in some way -
>     financially, code commits, other staff contributions, something else
>
>     I am giving two talks in the next couple of months at UK events
>     OSGIS and GeoCommunity where I will be trialling the ideas set out
>     in my blog post and I will give some feedback to this list
>     ______
>     Steven
>
>
>     On 27 Aug 2014, at 06:44, industry-request at lists.osgeo.org
>     <mailto:industry-request at lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
>
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>>       1. Re: development model vs business model [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
>>          (Bruce Bannerman)
>>
>>
>>     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>     Message: 1
>>     Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 15:43:45 +1000
>>     From: Bruce Bannerman <B.Bannerman at bom.gov.au
>>     <mailto:B.Bannerman at bom.gov.au>>
>>     To: Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>>,
>>     "industry at lists.osgeo.org
>>     <mailto:industry at lists.osgeo.org>"<industry at lists.osgeo.org
>>     <mailto:industry at lists.osgeo.org>>
>>     Subject: Re: [Industry] development model vs business model
>>     [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
>>     Message-ID: <D023A8C8.167C1%B.Bannerman at bom.gov.au
>>     <mailto:D023A8C8.167C1%25B.Bannerman at bom.gov.au>>
>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>>     I agree with the general gist of this thread.
>>
>>     The obligations are to more than just companies reselling open
>>     source. It also relates to users and user organisations. See
>>     related thread initiated by Dirk on Discuss [1].
>>
>>     We need a simple message relating to the ?total cost of
>>     ownership?. All software costs money to develop and maintain. The
>>     cost borne by user organisations could well be contribution back
>>     to the relevant open source communities. Once they get
>>     experience, this will in turn lead to opportunities for getting
>>     faster return and implementation on the functionality that they
>>     require operationally.
>>
>>     Following on from Cameron?s comments on government policy, we are
>>     already seeing policies in place that recommend contributions
>>     back to open source communities, e.g.:
>>
>>     - Australian Government Open Source Policy [1] Principle 3
>>     (Section 3.1 p11) p states ?Australian Government agencies will
>>     actively participate in open source
>>     software communities and contribute back where appropriate.?.
>>
>>     I understand that other governments have similar policies.
>>
>>
>>     Therefore the ?fair trade? message could well be helpful.
>>
>>     Bruce
>>
>>     [1] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-July/013043.html
>>
>>     [2]
>>     http://www.finance.gov.au/files/2012/04/AGuidetoOpenSourceSoftware.pdf
>>
>>
>>     From: Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com><mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>>>
>>     Date: Tuesday, 26 August 2014 7:22
>>     To: "industry at lists.osgeo.org
>>     <mailto:industry at lists.osgeo.org><mailto:industry at lists.osgeo.org
>>     <mailto:industry at lists.osgeo.org>>" <industry at lists.osgeo.org
>>     <mailto:industry at lists.osgeo.org><mailto:industry at lists.osgeo.org
>>     <mailto:industry at lists.osgeo.org>>>
>>     Subject: Re: [Industry] development model vs business model
>>
>>     I like the concept of defining "Fair Trade Open Source".
>>     But I think it needs to be more than "we use open source so we
>>     should give a bit back to the community". Almost every developer,
>>     and many managers will agree with that statement, but when it
>>     comes to final signoff on a program of work, and there is a
>>     question between keeping extra features or keeping the "give back
>>     to the community", keeping features wins.
>>
>>     In order to be successful, I envisage a "Fair Trade Open Source"
>>     should be explained as a value proposition to the business, and
>>     the message will change for each customer.
>>
>>     For large programs, typically from government, buying into Fair
>>     Trade should start with a policy statement which explains:
>>     * Our business is strategically improved by X, Y, and Z Open
>>     Source projects
>>     * When these projects do well, we do well
>>     * A successful Open Source project includes more than our list of
>>     features, but also a strong community and set of processes, and
>>     testing, etc
>>     * As such, we will invest X% of our budget on Business As Usual
>>     open source tasks which includes A, B, C.
>>
>>     This policy statement can then be referenced during purchasing
>>     and development cycles to justify selection of "give a bit back
>>     to the community" over extra features.
>>
>>     On 26/08/2014 12:21 am, Camille Acey wrote:
>>     Hi all,
>>
>>     I've been lurking on this list for a bit, but just wanted to
>>     speak up and mention that my friend and colleague Sumana
>>     Harihareswara gave a talk at 2010 OpenSource Bridge entitled "The
>>     Second Step: HOWTO encourage open source work at
>>     for-profits<http://opensourcebridge.org/wiki/2010/The_Second_Step:_HOWTO_encourage_open_source_work_at_for-profits>".
>>     There is still a lot of education that needs to be done in order
>>     to empower and encourage companies that use FLOSS to contribute
>>     back to the FLOSS projects. IMHO, that is where the work needs to
>>     be focused .  Hopefully that talk can help you in getting a slide
>>     deck and/or other such marketing and education materials together.
>>
>>     Cheers,
>>
>>     Camille E. Acey
>>
>>     Sales Operations Specialist | Boundless
>>
>>     camille at boundlessgeo.com
>>     <mailto:camille at boundlessgeo.com><mailto:camille at boundlessgeo.com
>>     <mailto:camille at boundlessgeo.com>> - 917.460.7197
>>
>>     @boundlessgeo
>>
>>     <https://twitter.com/boundlessgeo>
>>
>>     ? Message: 1
>>     Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 09:32:15 +0200
>>     From: Peter Baumann <p.baumann at jacobs-university.de
>>     <mailto:p.baumann at jacobs-university.de><mailto:p.baumann at jacobs-university.de
>>     <mailto:p.baumann at jacobs-university.de>>>
>>     To: Jachym Cepicky <jachym.cepicky at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com><mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>>>, Karel Charvat
>>            <charvat at ccss.cz
>>     <mailto:charvat at ccss.cz><mailto:charvat at ccss.cz
>>     <mailto:charvat at ccss.cz>>>
>>     Cc: industry at lists.osgeo.org
>>     <mailto:industry at lists.osgeo.org><mailto:industry at lists.osgeo.org
>>     <mailto:industry at lists.osgeo.org>>
>>     Subject: Re: [Industry] development model vs business model
>>     Message-ID: <53FAE67F.7090903 at jacobs-university.de
>>     <mailto:53FAE67F.7090903 at jacobs-university.de><mailto:53FAE67F.7090903 at jacobs-university.de
>>     <mailto:53FAE67F.7090903 at jacobs-university.de>>>
>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"
>>
>>     extremely important discussion, great to see the pieces come
>>     together!
>>     We're getting at it: like any organization acting in the public,
>>     OSGeo needs a
>>     comprehensive, carefully crafted communication strategy,
>>     including clear-cut
>>     messages suitable for the target groups (not ourselves!),
>>     manifest, eg, in
>>     ready-made slide decks, posters and flyers that can be readily
>>     printed &
>>     distributed; plus well-defined, efficient decision processes -
>>     ie, the board
>>     needs a mandate to act (& delegate).
>>
>>     my 2 cents,
>>     Peter
>>
>>     PS: I agree that "fair trade open source" is nice, but IMHO we
>>     shouldn't open
>>     yet another challenge while the basic one - effective market
>>     communication - is
>>     still unsolved.
>>
>>
>>     On 08/25/2014 08:48 AM, Jachym Cepicky wrote:
>>>
>>>     Not so fast, there are already rules, how to speak on behalf of
>>>     OSGeo.
>>>     Everybody always drops an e-mail to the list, and informs/asks
>>>     for permission
>>>     to speak on behalf of OSGeo.
>>>
>>>     Board members are going to some events, but as already said, we
>>>     have big
>>>     community of autonomous people and this is our strength.
>>>
>>>     So, once you would like to have OSGeo presented on some event,
>>>     ask in the list
>>>     and talk about it.
>>>
>>>     What we are missing are some rules regarding our brand and
>>>     representation used
>>>     on business cards ... Funny, topic actually
>>>
>>>     Jachym
>>>
>>>     Send from cellphone
>>>
>>>     --
>>>     Jachym Cepicky
>>>     e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com
>>>     URL: http://les-ejk.cz
>>>     GPG: http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp
>>>
>>>     Give your code freedom with PyWPS -http://pywps.wald.intevation.org
>>>
>>>     On Aug 25, 2014 2:19 AM, "Karel Charvat" <charvat at ccss.cz
>>>     <mailto:charvat at ccss.cz><mailto:charvat at ccss.cz
>>>     <mailto:charvat at ccss.cz>>
>>>     <mailto:charvat at ccss.cz
>>>     <mailto:charvat at ccss.cz><mailto:charvat at ccss.cz
>>>     <mailto:charvat at ccss.cz>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>        I agree with this, but on other side, we need some rules how
>>>     to do this. I
>>>        was in past in leadership of other organisation EFITA and now
>>>      I am in
>>>        leadership of Club of Ossiach. But in any case, there are
>>>     necessary to
>>>        define rules, how to go, how to speak on behalf of community.
>>>     It is not
>>>        good and impossible  if for example anybody will speak or make
>>>        presentation on behalf of Community. In such case, it could
>>>     be chaos.  For
>>>        example to have presentation on conferences or eventually
>>>     organise some
>>>        exhibition has to be task of responsible persons (Probably
>>>     board of
>>>        President), I can promote OSGEO as part of our activities,
>>>     but I cannot go
>>>        for example to European Commission and speak on behalf of
>>>     OSGEO. Every
>>>        time some responsibility is necessary
>>>
>>>        Karel
>>>
>>>        *From:*Jachym Cepicky [mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com
>>>     <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com><mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>>
>>>        <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com
>>>     <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com><mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>>>]
>>>        *Sent:* Sunday, August 24, 2014 9:31 PM
>>>        *To:* Karel Charvat
>>>        *Cc:* industry at lists.osgeo.org
>>>     <mailto:industry at lists.osgeo.org><mailto:industry at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:industry at lists.osgeo.org>>
>>>     <mailto:industry at lists.osgeo.org
>>>     <mailto:industry at lists.osgeo.org><mailto:industry at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:industry at lists.osgeo.org>>>;
>>>     Even
>>>        Rouault; dirk.frigne at geosparc.com
>>>     <mailto:dirk.frigne at geosparc.com><mailto:dirk.frigne at geosparc.com <mailto:dirk.frigne at geosparc.com>>
>>>     <mailto:dirk.frigne at geosparc.com
>>>     <mailto:dirk.frigne at geosparc.com><mailto:dirk.frigne at geosparc.com <mailto:dirk.frigne at geosparc.com>>>
>>>        *Subject:* RE: [Industry] development model vs business model
>>>
>>>        Hi Karel,
>>>
>>>        As you said, I try to promote OSGeo as much as possible, but
>>>     it never is
>>>        one man show. You are registered as OSGeo advocate as well,
>>>     as well as
>>>        other community members. It was always said, that community
>>>     is our biggest
>>>        strength. And this is the case.
>>>
>>>        Yes, we have to step out of our nich, to reach other
>>>     communities. But
>>>        Foss4g-europe is about our community, to support it.
>>>
>>>        Just 2 cents
>>>
>>>        Jachym
>>>
>>>        Send from cellphone
>>>
>>>        --
>>>        Jachym Cepicky
>>>        e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com
>>>        URL: http://les-ejk.cz
>>>        GPG: http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp
>>>
>>>        Give your code freedom with PyWPS
>>>     -http://pywps.wald.intevation.org
>>>
>>>        On Aug 24, 2014 3:43 PM, "Karel Charvat" <charvat at ccss.cz
>>>     <mailto:charvat at ccss.cz><mailto:charvat at ccss.cz
>>>     <mailto:charvat at ccss.cz>>
>>>        <mailto:charvat at ccss.cz
>>>     <mailto:charvat at ccss.cz><mailto:charvat at ccss.cz
>>>     <mailto:charvat at ccss.cz>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>            Hi all,
>>>            I would like make some comments from position of
>>>     business. I am new in
>>>            this forum, but I am long time involved as manager in
>>>     integration of
>>>            system and development of software (mainly OS}. We are
>>>     using OSGEO
>>>            products and we are also trying to put our development
>>>     towards
>>>            community, so support OS development (not OSGEO products,
>>>     there we
>>>            have only small contribution).
>>>            But I have to say, that not many others companies in
>>>     Czech are doing
>>>            the same and probably they don't plan to do the some. I
>>>     am sure, that
>>>            most of them respect license, but they use OS in the some
>>>     way as
>>>            proprietary software, only without obligation to pay (and
>>>     this is main
>>>            reason).
>>>            It is nice idea to start promote FOSS Fair trade branch,
>>>     but what is
>>>            necessary to start build OSGEPO brand. I am afraid, that
>>>     most of
>>>            developers and also customers (public servant's} are
>>>     aware about OSGEO.
>>>            And FOSS4GI event (global or European) are not way, how
>>>     to reach
>>>            community. I am sure, that information about FOSS4GI
>>>     (Europe) is well
>>>            reaching community OSGEO community, but not to much
>>>     outside. So there
>>>            is necessary, that OSGEO will be active outside of
>>>     FOSS4GI events,
>>>            local national European, Global. Only this is the way.
>>>            I think  that in Czech Jachym start to do it in good way,
>>>     but all is
>>>            long process
>>>            Karel
>>>
>>>
>>>            -----Original Message-----
>>>            From: industry-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>>     <mailto:industry-bounces at lists.osgeo.org><mailto:industry-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>>     <mailto:industry-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>>
>>>            <mailto:industry-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>>     <mailto:industry-bounces at lists.osgeo.org><mailto:industry-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>>     <mailto:industry-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>>>
>>>            [mailto:industry-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>>     <mailto:industry-bounces at lists.osgeo.org><mailto:industry-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>>     <mailto:industry-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>>
>>>            <mailto:industry-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>>     <mailto:industry-bounces at lists.osgeo.org><mailto:industry-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>>     <mailto:industry-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>>>] On Behalf Of Dirk
>>>     Frigne
>>>            Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 11:28 AM
>>>            To: Even Rouault; industry at lists.osgeo.org
>>>     <mailto:industry at lists.osgeo.org><mailto:industry at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:industry at lists.osgeo.org>>
>>>            <mailto:industry at lists.osgeo.org
>>>     <mailto:industry at lists.osgeo.org><mailto:industry at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:industry at lists.osgeo.org>>>
>>>            Subject: Re: [Industry] development model vs business model
>>>
>>>            Even,
>>>
>>>            On 22-08-14 21:31, Even Rouault wrote:
>>>>     Le vendredi 22 ao?t 2014 15:45:45, Mateusz ?oskot a ?crit :
>>>>>     On 22 August 2014 14:28, Dirk Frigne <dirk.frigne at geosparc.com
>>>>>     <mailto:dirk.frigne at geosparc.com><mailto:dirk.frigne at geosparc.com
>>>>>     <mailto:dirk.frigne at geosparc.com>>
>>>            <mailto:dirk.frigne at geosparc.com
>>>     <mailto:dirk.frigne at geosparc.com><mailto:dirk.frigne at geosparc.com <mailto:dirk.frigne at geosparc.com>>>>
>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>     reacting on the comments of Mateusz:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     On 22-08-14 12:03, Dirk Frigne wrote:
>>>>>>>     Sorry for crossposting, but this snippet from the thread
>>>            [...]
>>>>
>>>>     If we were to deliver a "Fair trade open source" label (or more
>>>>     specifically "Fair trade of OSGeo software"), it would be difficult
>>>>     to do that in a ... fair way, because you would have to measure
>>>>     somehow the value contributed back to OSGeo with respect to the
>>>            value made by using OSGeo software.
>>>            The fact something will be difficult does not mean
>>>     impossible.
>>>            The first thing we would have to do is to define why open
>>>     source (in
>>>            general - but as far as we are concerned for Geo) is
>>>     important, and
>>>            what is "fair" and what is not.
>>>            This can be done by listening to people who are using
>>>     open source for
>>>            business. Why they choose for OSGeo software, and what
>>>     they think is
>>>            fair (or only legal).
>>>
>>>            I think a good opportunity to start with this is the
>>>     proposed business
>>>            track on the next FOSS4G-Europe conference. The idea's
>>>     for such a
>>>            business track are being discussed in the thread "when
>>>     and where" [1].
>>>            From such testimonials we can learn what "we" define as
>>>     "Fair" and
>>>            establish guidelines, which when followed allows a
>>>     business entity, an
>>>            academic user or an administration to label themselves as
>>>     respecting
>>>            these guidelines.
>>>            This could be a good first start for this difficult task.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Even
>>>            D.
>>>            [1]
>>>            http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference-europe/2014-August/000173.html
>>>
>>>            --
>>>            Yours sincerely,
>>>
>>>
>>>            ir. Dirk Frigne
>>>            CEO
>>>
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>>     --
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>>     <tel:%2B49-421-200-493178><tel:%2B49-421-200-493178>
>>      - Executive Director, rasdaman GmbH Bremen (HRB 26793)
>>        www.rasdaman.com
>>     <http://www.rasdaman.com><http://www.rasdaman.com>, mail:
>>     baumann at rasdaman.com
>>     <mailto:baumann at rasdaman.com><mailto:baumann at rasdaman.com
>>     <mailto:baumann at rasdaman.com>>
>>        tel: 0800-rasdaman, fax: 0800-rasdafax, mobile:
>>     +49-173-5837882 <tel:%2B49-173-5837882><tel:%2B49-173-5837882>
>>     "Si forte in alienas manus oberraverit hec peregrina epistola
>>     incertis ventis dimissa, sed Deo commendata, precamur ut ei
>>     reddatur cui soli destinata, nec preripiat quisquam non sibi
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