[mapguide-internals] Participation in FOSS4G WMS Shoot-out

Fri May 21 13:19:28 EDT 2010

Hey guys,

There seems to be a lot of PSC interest in the FOSS4G WMS shootout:

Jason - may be able to free up some time to help
Zac - overallocated at the moment, happy to help a bit
Trevor - also busy at the moment, can help a little

I think the first step in the shootout would be to setup and run a portion of last year's shootout against a Linux build of the 2.2 beta on CentOS 5.4 http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Benchmarking_2009.  The shootout was run on CentOS 5.3 last year.  5.4 should be close enough and that's what the beta is compiled against.  As a starting point just the SHP and TIFF dataset tests could be run.  This would give us a good indication of where we stand right now. 

The tests should be run on an older physical machine with 4 cores and 8GB of ram.  Running on a virtualized machine may skew the results.  Ideally, a second machine should be make available as "client" machine.  I think this machine could be a VM.  The load on the test machine should not be very high.

As it turns out, I have enough hardware available to set up the environment but I do not have time to install mapguide/author the maps/run the tests.  If someone else, or a collaboration of people, can install/author/run the tests, we would be much further along.  Even producing "lacklustre" results at FOSS4G would show that MapGuide is a serious WMS contender and it would give us something to improve for the next release.

A bit of part time work from a few PSC members might be enough to get the WMS shootout going.  Does this sound like a reasonable approach?  

Regards,
Trevor

-----Original Message-----
From: mapguide-internals-bounces at lists.osgeo.org [mailto:mapguide-internals-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jason Birch
Sent: May 20, 2010 8:16 PM
To: MapGuide Internals Mail List
Subject: Re: [mapguide-internals] Participation in FOSS4G WMS Shoot-out

I think we're going to have to pass this year if a PSC member can't
dedicate the time. This kind of effort is going to require a fair
amount of coordination and feedback, and I have a feeling that much of
the high-performance configuration knowledge for MG is in this thread.
:)

On 2010-05-20, Zac Spitzer <zac.spitzer at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd love to get invloved with this, but due to it being close to end
> of financial
> year, I'm extremely over allocated at the moment.
>
> Happy to help a bit, but I'm in your boat Jason
>
> Perhaps we should fire a message off over on mg-users and see if
> anyone wants to work help out?
>
>
> On 21 May 2010 09:12, Jason Birch <jason at jasonbirch.com> wrote:
>> I certainly have no objections to participating if there's someone who
>> has time to run with it, but I unfortunately do not (though I would
>> hope to be able to free up time to help).  Zac, if you have time I'd
>> be happy to start a vote to give you official sanction (whatever that
>> means).
>>
>> On 2010-05-19, Daniel Morissette <dmorissette at mapgears.com> wrote:
>>> Thanks for the answer Bruce.
>>>
>>> So it seems that there is no technical reason stopping MapGuide from
>>> participating in the WMS Shoot-out. Of course there is the question of
>>> availability of resources which I fully appreciate since it's an issue
>>> for all of us.
>>>
>>> The benchmarking team is already late on its schedule and needs formal
>>> answers/commitments from all teams ASAP. Could we get an official answer
>>> from the MapGuide Dev/PSC team? Everybody would love if MapGuide could
>>> join the fun, but if that's not possible then the benchmarking team
>>> would like to have an official answer that they can refer to when they
>>> have to explain in front of ~1,000 people why software A, B or C was not
>>> involved.
>>>
>>> Thanks, and sorry for being persistent. I promise it's the last time I
>>> ask.
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruce Dechant wrote:
>>>> MapGuide supports WMS up to and including version 1.1.1
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Bruce
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: mapguide-internals-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [mailto:mapguide-internals-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Daniel
>>>> Morissette
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 7:27 AM
>>>> To: mapguide-internals at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> Cc: Jeff McKenna
>>>> Subject: [mapguide-internals] Re: Participation in FOSS4G WMS Shoot-out
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jason,
>>>>
>>>> (Sorry for the late reply, I am subscribed to the list only in digest
>>>> mode and sometimes may miss some replies. If you CC me then I can reply
>>>> right away.)
>>>>
>>>> FYI SLD is not a requirement, as long as you configure your server to
>>>> use the specified styles (line width, colors, etc).
>>>>
>>>> Also, the tests use WMS version 1.1.1, and only with very basic GetMap
>>>> calls. Which version of WMS does MapGuide support?
>>>>
>>>> Daniel
>>>>
>>>> Jason Birch wrote:
>>>>> I'd love to see this happen, but I don't think we have the resources to
>>>>> dedicate to participating or to fixing any issues that were
>>>>> highlighted,
>>>>> which would be even more important.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a feeling that this benchmark would expose considerable
>>>>> weaknesses
>>>>> in
>>>>> MapGuide, some of which we care about (raster stability), others not so
>>>>> much
>>>>> (shapefile performance), and things like our lack of SLD or newer WMS
>>>>> version support may mean that we can't even participate even if we
>>>>> wanted
>>>>> to.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jason
>>>>
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