[mapguide-internals] Participation in FOSS4G WMS Shoot-out

Fri May 21 14:32:50 EDT 2010

Attempted and failed due to lack of resources is better than not even
trying IMO.

On 2010-05-21, Trevor Wekel <trevor_wekel at otxsystems.com> wrote:
> Hey guys,
>
> There seems to be a lot of PSC interest in the FOSS4G WMS shootout:
>
> Jason - may be able to free up some time to help
> Zac - overallocated at the moment, happy to help a bit
> Trevor - also busy at the moment, can help a little
>
> I think the first step in the shootout would be to setup and run a portion
> of last year's shootout against a Linux build of the 2.2 beta on CentOS 5.4
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Benchmarking_2009.  The shootout was run on
> CentOS 5.3 last year.  5.4 should be close enough and that's what the beta
> is compiled against.  As a starting point just the SHP and TIFF dataset
> tests could be run.  This would give us a good indication of where we stand
> right now.
>
> The tests should be run on an older physical machine with 4 cores and 8GB of
> ram.  Running on a virtualized machine may skew the results.  Ideally, a
> second machine should be make available as "client" machine.  I think this
> machine could be a VM.  The load on the test machine should not be very
> high.
>
> As it turns out, I have enough hardware available to set up the environment
> but I do not have time to install mapguide/author the maps/run the tests.
> If someone else, or a collaboration of people, can install/author/run the
> tests, we would be much further along.  Even producing "lacklustre" results
> at FOSS4G would show that MapGuide is a serious WMS contender and it would
> give us something to improve for the next release.
>
> A bit of part time work from a few PSC members might be enough to get the
> WMS shootout going.  Does this sound like a reasonable approach?
>
> Regards,
> Trevor
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mapguide-internals-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
> [mailto:mapguide-internals-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jason Birch
> Sent: May 20, 2010 8:16 PM
> To: MapGuide Internals Mail List
> Subject: Re: [mapguide-internals] Participation in FOSS4G WMS Shoot-out
>
> I think we're going to have to pass this year if a PSC member can't
> dedicate the time. This kind of effort is going to require a fair
> amount of coordination and feedback, and I have a feeling that much of
> the high-performance configuration knowledge for MG is in this thread.
> :)
>
>
> On 2010-05-20, Zac Spitzer <zac.spitzer at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'd love to get invloved with this, but due to it being close to end
>> of financial
>> year, I'm extremely over allocated at the moment.
>>
>> Happy to help a bit, but I'm in your boat Jason
>>
>> Perhaps we should fire a message off over on mg-users and see if
>> anyone wants to work help out?
>>
>>
>> On 21 May 2010 09:12, Jason Birch <jason at jasonbirch.com> wrote:
>>> I certainly have no objections to participating if there's someone who
>>> has time to run with it, but I unfortunately do not (though I would
>>> hope to be able to free up time to help).  Zac, if you have time I'd
>>> be happy to start a vote to give you official sanction (whatever that
>>> means).
>>>
>>> On 2010-05-19, Daniel Morissette <dmorissette at mapgears.com> wrote:
>>>> Thanks for the answer Bruce.
>>>>
>>>> So it seems that there is no technical reason stopping MapGuide from
>>>> participating in the WMS Shoot-out. Of course there is the question of
>>>> availability of resources which I fully appreciate since it's an issue
>>>> for all of us.
>>>>
>>>> The benchmarking team is already late on its schedule and needs formal
>>>> answers/commitments from all teams ASAP. Could we get an official answer
>>>> from the MapGuide Dev/PSC team? Everybody would love if MapGuide could
>>>> join the fun, but if that's not possible then the benchmarking team
>>>> would like to have an official answer that they can refer to when they
>>>> have to explain in front of ~1,000 people why software A, B or C was not
>>>> involved.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, and sorry for being persistent. I promise it's the last time I
>>>> ask.
>>>>
>>>> Daniel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bruce Dechant wrote:
>>>>> MapGuide supports WMS up to and including version 1.1.1
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: mapguide-internals-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>>>> [mailto:mapguide-internals-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Daniel
>>>>> Morissette
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 7:27 AM
>>>>> To: mapguide-internals at lists.osgeo.org
>>>>> Cc: Jeff McKenna
>>>>> Subject: [mapguide-internals] Re: Participation in FOSS4G WMS Shoot-out
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jason,
>>>>>
>>>>> (Sorry for the late reply, I am subscribed to the list only in digest
>>>>> mode and sometimes may miss some replies. If you CC me then I can reply
>>>>> right away.)
>>>>>
>>>>> FYI SLD is not a requirement, as long as you configure your server to
>>>>> use the specified styles (line width, colors, etc).
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, the tests use WMS version 1.1.1, and only with very basic GetMap
>>>>> calls. Which version of WMS does MapGuide support?
>>>>>
>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>
>>>>> Jason Birch wrote:
>>>>>> I'd love to see this happen, but I don't think we have the resources
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> dedicate to participating or to fixing any issues that were
>>>>>> highlighted,
>>>>>> which would be even more important.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a feeling that this benchmark would expose considerable
>>>>>> weaknesses
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> MapGuide, some of which we care about (raster stability), others not
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> much
>>>>>> (shapefile performance), and things like our lack of SLD or newer WMS
>>>>>> version support may mean that we can't even participate even if we
>>>>>> wanted
>>>>>> to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>> http://www.mapgears.com/
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