[MapServer-dev] 2024 budget planning

[Steve Lime]

I don't have any additions.

On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 3:48 AM Seth G <sethg at geographika.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> It seems many projects have submitted their budget requests for next year
> to OSGeo - I presume there is an end-of-year deadline to be met?
>
> I've added in items from this thread to
> https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-2024-Budget
> Jeff has discussed the 8.2 release for January, so I've added in the
> release manager role. I guess the requested amount depends upon if there
> are also plans for additional patch releases in 2024 and MapCache releases.
> Once this value is finalised it would be good to take a vote and submit to
> OSGeo in the next few days. Alternatively we can just go with the 2021
> value and vote now. If there are any other items to add please edit the
> page.
>
> I'll also look at creating a page of other ideas for MapServer for
> sponsorship opportunities, similar to the GeoTools one at
> https://github.com/geotools/geotools/wiki/GeoTools-2024-Sponsorship-Opportunities
>
> Seth
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> web:https://geographika.net & https://mapserverstudio.net
> twitter: @geographika
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> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023, at 4:36 PM, Even Rouault wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I agree we should cut use of Travis if the budget for MapServer is so low.
> Yes, the specificity of the Travis CI checks is to test 2 versions of PHP,
> but I suspect this could be migrated to GHA if needed (e.g perhaps using
> https://github.com/setup-php/setup-php). For AddressSanitizer, this would
> be trivial to port to GHA.
>
> (GDAL only use of Travis CI is to test exotic architectures, in particular
> ARM64, which aren't available on GHA. But GDAL only uses the OSGeo provided
> budget for that, so that's OK for it)
>
> Even
> Le 14/12/2023 à 16:18, Seth G a écrit :
>
> It seems a shame to spend over 80% of the budget on Travis, completely
> switching to GitHub Actions would be another item it would be good to add
> to the MapServer 2024 plan/budget and PSC vote.
> There were some previous discussions about this in 2020 [1]. Since then
> GHA seems to have advanced whilst Travis has stagnated. In addition
> MapCache switched away from Travis [2]. I see GDAL still uses Travis so
> maybe there are some advantages I'm not aware of.
> As far as I can tell it is only the AddressSanitizer run and PHP builds
> that Travis includes that aren't already in GHA [2].
>
> Seth
>
> [1]
> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/mapserver-dev/2020-November/016302.html
> [2] https://github.com/MapServer/mapcache/pull/274
> [3] https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/blob/main/.travis.yml
>
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> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023, at 2:59 PM, Michael Smith wrote:
>
> For 2023, some of the funds were used for the Travis subscription for
> mapserver which is $828/yr (69/mo). So $172 would be available for the rest
> of the year. The PayPal donation would carry over. Project funds do not.
>
>
>
> Mike
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> --
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> Michael Smith
>
> OSGeo Treasurer
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> treasurer at osgeo.org
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> *From: *Steve Lime <sdlime at gmail.com> <sdlime at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 8:31 AM
> *To: *Michael Smith <michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>
> <michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>
> *Cc: *Even Rouault <even.rouault at spatialys.com>
> <even.rouault at spatialys.com>, Seth G <sethg at geographika.co.uk>
> <sethg at geographika.co.uk>, MapServer Devs <mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org>
> <mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [MapServer-dev] 2024 budget planning
>
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> Is there any chance of accessing the FY23 $'s? Problem is that we don't
> have a project bank account.
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>
> There was also a $1,310 donation via PayPal in March 2022 that looks to
> have come in via OSGeo via PayPal but was earmarked specifically for
> MapServer. Mike, I can send you a copy of that email if you'd like.
>
>
>
> --Steve
>
>
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> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 4:34 PM Michael Smith <
> michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Proposed default for FY24 per project is $1000 USD. Yes you can request
> more than that but there should be a plan for the additional amounts voted
> by PSC.
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> Funds from donation are 295.45 (looks like it was mostly in 2021 and a bit
> in 2022).
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> Mike
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> Michael Smith
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> OSGeo Treasurer
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> *From: *Steve Lime <sdlime at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 4:56 PM
> *To: *Even Rouault <even.rouault at spatialys.com>, Michael Smith <
> michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>
> *Cc: *Seth G <sethg at geographika.co.uk>, MapServer Devs <
> mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [MapServer-dev] 2024 budget planning
>
>
>
>  Great ideas, I'd support both of them. The question becomes how much to
> allocate in each instance. I guess some basic questions I'd have (and maybe
> Mike knows) are:
>
>    1. What's that standard per project budget allocation from OSGeo? I
>    thought it was something like $1,500 but I'm not sure.
>    2. Is there any chance of getting $'s beyond that? The 2020 budget
>    referenced earlier in the thread was submitted to the board but it was
>    pretty clear there was no opportunity to secure funding beyond that base
>    amount.
>    3. We have some $'s that have been donated via Paypal. I don't know
>    the amount but there should be at least $1,000 available and that could be
>    considered as another means of paying for this work. Again, Mike do you
>    know what the MapServer balance is via the donate button?
>    4. We are still in 2023 - can we allocate this years' standard budget
>    allocation to this work or otherwise roll it over? I'd like to know what
>    our options are. We've not done a good job of taking advantage of the OSGeo
>    funds available, even if they are somewhat limited.
>
> Seth, what level of support do you think you'd need?
>
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>
> --Steve
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> On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 5:48 PM Even Rouault via MapServer-dev <
> mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
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>
> Hi Seth,
>
> thanks for putting that together. The 2 topics (workshop and CITE tests)
> look like excellent topics to be budgeted.
>
> Even
>
> Le 07/12/2023 à 11:02, Seth G via MapServer-dev a écrit :
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I've created a draft page for the budget at
> https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-2024-Budget
> >
> > I've also created two wiki pages for two items I'd like to work on next
> year, and to request some funds to help set aside time to work on them.
> Both were discussed with other members of the PSC at the recent OSGeo
> Community Sprint:
> >
> > A new MapServer Workshop, see details at
> https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-Workshop-2024
> > This would target FOSS4G Europe next year. The deadline for submission
> is January 14th 2024 so it would be good to sort out a budget as soon as
> possible to be able to submit. Workshops are 4 hours in length.
> >
> > Automating and refreshing the MapServer OGC CITE tests - see
> https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-OGC-CITE-Tests
> >
> > Let me know your thoughts on the above,
> >
> > Seth
> > --
> > web:https://geographika.net & https://mapserverstudio.net
> > twitter: @geographika
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 2, 2023, at 6:58 PM, Seth G wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> A wiki page sounds a good start. Increased test coverage and OGC Maps
> >> support would be two items I'd like to propose.
> >> We could also maybe use a GitHub Discussions poll to allow users to
> >> vote on some open issues to look at fixing?
> >>
> >> I think any unused funds for the year remain with OSGeo and can't be
> >> used for future years. Is it an option to get a 2023 budget approved to
> >> avoid losing these funds for this year?
> >> There is the OSGeo Codesprint in Vienna next week, and 5 of the PSC
> >> members will be there so we could arrange a PSC meeting and sign things
> >> off quite quickly.
> >>
> >> Seth
> >>
> >> --
> >> web:https://geographika.net & https://mapserverstudio.net
> >> twitter: @geographika
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 1, 2023, at 10:44 PM, Lime, Steve D (MNIT) via
> MapServer-dev wrote:
> >>> This is a good idea and something that we haven't done in some time.
> >>> There was a 2020 budget outline
> >>> (https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/OSGeo-2020-Budget) that
> >>> was put together as an ask from the board. If I recall correctly, they
> >>> basically only allocated the normal per project amount to the project.
> >>> That's funding we've not taken explicit advantage of most years
> >>> although I don't know what happens to those $'s if they go unclaimed.
> >>> There is also a donation balance that could/should be tapped to fund
> >>> activities.
> >>>
> >>> --Steve
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: MapServer-dev <mapserver-dev-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> On Behalf
> >>> Of Jeff McKenna via MapServer-dev
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2023 1:00 PM
> >>> To: 'MapServer Dev Mailing List' <mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org>
> >>> Subject: [MapServer-dev] 2024 budget planning
> >>>
> >>> Hi MapServer community (devs, users, packagers, promoters, all),
> >>>
> >>> I see other projects beginning early discussions on planning for 2024
> >>> budget spending.  I would like to start a wiki page for the 2024 budget
> >>> for MapServer.  I am planning on including those items
> >>> never-funded-yet-heavily-relied-upon-by-users such as releases,
> >>> packaging, testing/CI infrastructure maintenance, and documentation, as
> >>> well as source code contributions (in other words, including the full
> >>> dev community of MapServer in the budget).
> >>>
> >>> I think 2024 is a good time to create a realistic budget for MapServer,
> >>> and then share that publicly with the FOSS4G community.  I think we'd
> >>> be happily surprised that organizations are willing to support the
> >>> sustainability of MapServer.  Worst-case scenario is that we have a
> >>> publicly available realistic view of the cost of keeping MapServer
> >>> reliable, secure, and fast, that we can expand upon in future years.
> >>>
> >>> Happy to read other thoughts here, from everyone passionate about
> MapServer.
> >>>
> >>> thanks!
> >>>
> >>> -jeff
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Jeff McKenna
> >>> GatewayGeo: Developers of MS4W, & offering MapServer Consulting/Dev
> >>> co-founder of FOSS4G
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