[Marketing] [Board] motion: marketing committee chair
Cameron Shorter
cameron.shorter at gmail.com
Thu May 12 21:49:33 PDT 2016
Hi Marc, all,
A few disconnected thoughts from an old OSGeo hand:
* Nic, with regards to the Marketing committee, I feel the best way to
attract members is for the marketing committee (Marc in this case) to
start doing things, which in turn will attract opinions and interest. So
lets not wait until a committee forms before electing a chair. Lets just
get started.
* Marc, yes OSGeo convention is to vote on ideas. Usually the voting
isn't needed, but it is useful on contentious issues.
* I don't care if Marc has credentials a mile long, or if he is a high
school student. If he comes up with great ideas for OSGeo marketing, and
is prepared to put in the effort to make it happen, then that is exactly
want we want from our volunteers.
* OSGeo is a do-ocracy. I hold great respect for people who do stuff.
* OSGeo is performing at its best when we are supporting and encouraging
of all the new ideas that keep flowing into OSGeo. The only catch is
OSGeo has no access to push people to do things and almost zero budget
to work with.
* OSGeo is best at "helping those that help themselves"
* People who "do smart and useful things" attract like minded people.
* For those looking for Marc's thoughts, he put them here:
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Talk:Marketing_Committee
* Marc, I can't remember if I pointed you to this before. It is my take
of a SWOT analysis, with input from the board at the time:
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Board_:_Board_Priorities_2013
Warm regards, Cameron
On 13/05/2016 6:57 AM, Peter Batty wrote:
> I am here, I missed Jody's original email, as with others I am busy
> but remain interested in helping out on the marketing committee as I
> can. As others have noted, it has been dormant for a while. Marc I
> encourage you to take a lead on pushing OSGeo marketing forward as you
> see fit.
>
> I vote +1 on Jody's motions - thanks Cameron for all your efforts, and
> welcome Marc!
>
> Cheers,
> Peter.
>
> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Marc Vloemans
> <marcvloemans1 at gmail.com <mailto:marcvloemans1 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Uh, a committee is not a mailing list IMHO, ever! It is a group of
> active participants with added value to each other. Not a passive
> special interest group. Everyone who brings something to the table
> is more than welcome.
>
> The discussion regarding my involvement tends to go in circles
> (although I see it also as a positive and active interest in the
> marketing function), it leads to increased chaos which is IMHO
> leading us nowhere. Somebody is needed to act as committee chair,
> a central hub and address for funding requests and the like. And I
> 'happened' to be around ;-)
>
> In any other organisation, I should (!) normally know what is the
> next step. Structure and processes without too much ambiguity. At
> the moment I am ping-ponging between various individuals for
> yes/no vote, yes/no structured marketing approach and yes/no
> commitment&support from Board (as a total) and Committee. No
> wonder the marketing function has deteriorated over the past years.
>
> Luckily various individuals have expressed support via lists and
> direct messages. So I will take my cue and motivation from them.
> Jody's Mail for voting has taken way too long to be answered and
> the answers/comments generated in turn more questions. I refuse to
> explain myself to individuals any further in terms of experience
> and knowledge per individual email, please visit my LinkedIn
> profile or ask others in the community. It is becoming ridiculous
> and demotivating. And there is an end to my patience and politeness.
>
> Therefor, I am going to do it my way, guys. My time, my
> priorities. And whoever joins in is very very very welcome!
> Whoever has advice has both my ears and attention. Whoever has
> constructive criticism is heard. Whoever spends time is a champ
> and deserves the stage. Whoever reaps the fruits of my and others'
> volunteer work is quite welcome to it.
>
> But whoever is throwing sand in the machine, I don't have time
> for. I rather spend time on working towards a more professional
> approach of the marketing function, show others what it entails by
> doing it (like others have shown me what coding entailed) and be
> 'part of the solution, not the problem'.
>
> Vriendelijke groet,
> Marc Vloemans
>
>
> > Op 12 mei 2016 om 18:32 heeft Alex M <tech_dev at wildintellect.com
> <mailto:tech_dev at wildintellect.com>> het volgende geschreven:
> >
> > I think you're missing the historical way in which this works.
> Anyone
> > can join the Marketing committee and add themselves to the list of
> > members. Can't really recall the process for making people Voting
> > members on $ issues.
> >
> > Most of the existing committee members are simply to busy now on
> other
> > parts of OSGeo. So by all means add new members. If you need
> some sort
> > of vote to get the new Chair in, sure we can do that.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Alex
> >
> > PS: I'm mostly here to provide context on history now, these
> days I'm
> > mostly doing SAC work.
> >
> >> On 05/12/2016 01:05 AM, Marc VLOEMANS wrote:
> >> Thanks Venka,
> >>
> >> This exercise and discussion (other thread) is actually
> cleaning up the
> >> list post hoc. Which is a preferable and elegant way of doing so.
> >>
> >> However, without any remit to do so I am not touching the
> memberlist with a
> >> barge pole out of fear of becoming the Benevolent Marketing
> Dictator.
> >>
> >> Marc
> >>
> >> Kind regards,
> >>
> >> Marc Vloemans
> >>
> >> Mobile +31(0)651 844262 <tel:%2B31%280%29651%20844262>
> >> LinkedIn: http://nl.linkedin.com/in/marcvloemans
> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/marcvloemans
> >> http://www.slideshare.net/marcvloemans
> >>
> >>
> >> 2016-05-12 9:50 GMT+02:00 Venkatesh Raghavan
> <raghavan at media.osaka-cu.ac.jp <mailto:raghavan at media.osaka-cu.ac.jp>>
> >> :
> >>
> >>> Ms. Daniele Nascimento (my former student) is
> >>> also presently inactive in the Marketing Committee.
> >>> The Committee member list at [1] needs to be updated.
> >>>
> >>> Venka
> >>> [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Committee
> <http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Committee>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 2016/05/12 16:19, Jeroen Ticheler wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>> I would like to also step back from the marketing committee. I
> can't give it the attention it needs.
> >>> Cheers, Jeroen
> >>>
> >>> GeoCat Bridge for ArcGIS allows instant publishing of data and
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> >>> _________________________
> >>> Jeroen Ticheler
> >>> GeoCat bv
> >>> Veenderweg 13
> >>> 6721 WD Bennekom
> >>> Tel: +31 (0)6 81286572
> <tel:%2B31%20%280%296%2081286572>http://geocat.net
> >>>
> >>> Op 12 mei 2016 om 09:10 heeft Jody Garnett
> <jody.garnett at gmail.com <mailto:jody.garnett at gmail.com>>
> <jody.garnett at gmail.com <mailto:jody.garnett at gmail.com>> het
> volgende geschreven:
> >>>
> >>> I offered to join a few months ago, as has Marc, but the
> website does not reflect this - the wiki lists the following members:
> >>> Cameron Shorter, Chair
> >>> Alex Mandel
> >>> Arnulf Christl
> >>> Jeroen Ticheler
> >>> Jo Cook
> >>> Nicolas Bozon
> >>> Peter Batty
> >>> Daniele Nascimento
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Jody Garnett
> >>>
> >>> On 11 May 2016 at 23:09, nicolas bozon
> <nicolas.bozon at gmail.com <mailto:nicolas.bozon at gmail.com>>
> <nicolas.bozon at gmail.com <mailto:nicolas.bozon at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 30/04/2016 3:20 am, Jody Garnett wrote:
> >>> To keep up with current events I would like to make two motions:
> >>>
> >>> - MOT1: Thanks Cameron for his service (thank you) as
> Marketting chair
> >>>
> >>> +1
> >>> Thank you Cameron for long and good service as committee chair
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> - MOT2: Accept Marc Vloeman's offer volunteer for this role -
> and nominate him for this position.
> >>>
> >>> -0
> >>> While i warmly welcome Jody and Marc in the Committee, i am
> surprised by the lack of reaction or our committee members.
> >>> Before pushing motions and nominating a new chair, we should
> first ensure that we have enough active voting members IMHO.
> >>> I suggest we may postpone this motion in order to first
> 'upgrade' memberships and hopefully get a descent 'quorum' anytime.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>>
> >>> Nick
> >
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