[OSGeo Oceania] [FOSS4G-Oceania] Suggest OSGeo Oceania board discussions come back on list

Cameron Shorter cameron.shorter at gmail.com
Fri Aug 2 13:49:17 PDT 2019


For those of you who might not know Bruce, I thought I should provide 
some background.

Bruce was on the organising committee of FOSS4G 2009, and previously an 
active contributor within the OSGeo Aust-NZ email list, among other things.

I've had a deep respect for Bruce's ability to deeply analyse open 
technology problems, from a technical, social and business context. And 
if you manage to pick a topic he is passionate about, he has a track 
record of stepping up and following through.

He will also call bullshit on you (in a pointed, yet constructive 
manner), and it is usually wise to listen to him when he does. (Exhibit 
A at the start of the email thread).

On 2/8/19 10:12 pm, John Bryant wrote:
> Hi Bruce,
>
> Thanks a lot for raising this. I see it as a critical issue and I 
> appreciate your candid comments. I believe we're 100% in agreement 
> about the importance of appropriate community engagement.
>
> By way of a brief outline, here's how we've arrived at this point:
>
> Immediately after the 2018 conference, the topic of governance was 
> raised and discussed at length in a Nov 2018 thread on the 
> FOSS4G-Oceania list [1], culminating in a Terms of Reference [2] for 
> an organisation called OSGeo Oceania, and an interim Board of 
> Directors (ratified by motion on the list in Dec 2018 [3]). Your 
> suggestion from August 2018 [4] to '/have separate bodies for the 
> Local Chapter and the Conference Committees/' was taken on board and 
> incorporated at this stage.
>
> The Terms of Reference broadly outlined an agenda for this 
> organisation for 2019:
>
>     /- determine a process for recruiting and managing an appropriate
>     general membership
>     - determine a process for renewal of board membership, including
>     accountability to the general membership, and clarify such items
>     as term limits and staggering of terms
>     - determine a process for inviting expressions of interest and
>     selecting groups wishing to host the annual FOSS4G SotM Oceania event
>     - determine and formalise an appropriate non-profit structure
>     - submit an official expression of interest to the OSGeo board to
>     form an OSGeo local chapter
>     - apply to the OpenStreetMap Foundation board to form an
>     OpenStreetMap local chapter/
>
>
> Forming a non-profit was the first priority, as it was seen as a 
> foundational piece for the other items. Following the TOR, a rather 
> extensive piece of research led to a draft recommendation in March 
> 2019, which was posted on the lists for community feedback [5 & 6]. At 
> that time you pointed to some earlier advice/comments you'd offered 
> (/determine an open process, understand liability, understand who has 
> the right to establish this entity, understand how we will replace 
> this person/people/organisation when appropriate/), which we 
> considered in drafting the recommendations. I hope the TOR and entity 
> recommendation documents sufficiently address these concerns, and I'll 
> also point out that we're still in the process of determining how this 
> will work - on the agenda for the coming months ahead of the conference.
>
> The entity was formed, based on the recommendation and professional 
> advice, on 1 May 2019.
>
> I'm now realising the distinct possibility that many people in the 
> community aren't subscribed to the foss4g-oceania list, and thus the 
> lengthy discussion that happened there may not have been visible to 
> some of the people who needed to see it. This is unfortunate, and I 
> only really see this now in hindsight. I'm cc'ing the foss4g-oceania 
> list so that anyone who's on that list and not the Oceania list can 
> also see this discussion.
>
> ALSO... I acknowledge that we can and will do better at transparency. 
> But I also ask for your patience. This isn't easy work, we're all 
> volunteers, and everyone is trying the best they can. We've worked 
> _very_ hard to keep the community apprised of what we're doing, seek 
> input and feedback, and try to address whatever comes our way.
>
> If anyone feels they've been kept out of the loop, I apologise for 
> that, and I hope that in the coming months we can find ways to make 
> sure nobody is left behind.
>
> John
>
>
> [1] 
> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g-oceania/2018-November/001049.html
> [2] https://drive.google.com/file/d/13aZ6L08ke1-l32I7c00MahyEKgxeZkq8/view
> [3] 
> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g-oceania/2018-December/001163.html
> [4] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/oceania/2018-August/001929.html
> [5] 
> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g-oceania/2019-March/001313.html
> [6] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/oceania/2019-March/001989.html
>
>
>
> On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 at 13:29, Bruce Bannerman 
> <bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com 
> <mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hello John, Cameron and fellow OSGeo Oceania community members,
>
>     I’m in two minds as to how to address this email:
>
>     - Firstly, I’m happy to see some momentum around OSGeo-Oceania.
>
>     - Secondly, I’m very disappointed to see that we have what appears
>     to be a fait accompli [1] presented to us.
>
>     I have not seen any suitable discussion on how we want to
>     establish a local community, the rules that we want to work to,
>     how we are going to select and reselect our community leaders etc,
>     etc.
>
>     The last that I recall was when I dug out an older email where I
>     listed a number of concerns related to creating a legal entity
>     about five months ago [2]. I have not seen these addressed, or had
>     the opportunity to participate in the follow up discussion.
>
>     Perhaps I have missed all of this discussion?
>
>     I have looked through the Oceania email archives, but cannot see
>     the relevant discussion. So I wasn’t imagining not seeing it.
>
>     Can someone please outline how we have arrived at this point
>     without suitable community engagement and discussion?
>
>     Kind regards,
>
>     Bruce
>
>     [1] https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/fait-accompli
>
>     [2] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/oceania/2019-March/001993.html
>
>
>
>     On 2 Aug 2019, at 19:31, John Bryant <johnwbryant at gmail.com
>     <mailto:johnwbryant at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>>     I agree with this approach.
>>
>>     My feeling is that board discussions should default to using this
>>     mailing list except where they're sensitive, ie. about specific
>>     people and/or incidents, or relate to other confidential matters
>>     eg. financial arrangements with partners. It's valuable to the
>>     community to see how we operate, not only for accountability, but
>>     also because it allows people to watch over time, and potentially
>>     become contributors.
>>
>>     Meeting notes/minutes are already published here:
>>     https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Oceania
>>
>>     Re:opening board meetings to the public, I'm generally in favour.
>>     There will be times when confidential discussions need to happen,
>>     but these are the exception rather than the rule. If the board is
>>     OK with this, maybe we can do this for next meeting and see how
>>     we go?
>>
>>     Cheers
>>     John
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     Oceania mailing list
>>     Oceania at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:Oceania at lists.osgeo.org>
>>     https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/oceania
>
>
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