[postgis-users] WKTRaster : gdal2wktraster.py cannot read AIG/Arc/Info Binary Grid
Peter Baumann
p.baumann at jacobs-university.de
Wed Jul 21 02:00:46 PDT 2010
Sebastian,
it's a XEON. Your question comes at the right time, we are in the
process of compiling performance data this summer. I will soon post
detail info here.
Loading 100k x 150k pixels is no problem. You load piecemeal, and the
system will align with its internal tiling + maintain the image pyramid.
10 years back we have loaded the whole ortho image mosaic of Bavaria
into the database (server was a desktop PC of about 1000 EUR), that was
600 GB compressed (losslessly). At that time, import of an 230 MB image
took about 2min (array placement, re-tiling of input, index maintenance,
compression, and this for all pyramid levels). Read access, OTOH, was
about 150ms. A few years later the Thuringia Mapping Agency, again with
a desktop PC as a server, verified that access times are stable under a
load of about 15 concurrent users challenging the system with WMS type
interactive browsing.
For another mapping agency we have set up a database containing ortho
image, 30+ thematic raster layers, DEM. Access was via WMS, the rasdaman
system delivered a single image for display (Javascript was not what it
is today...). This included on-the-fly classification of the DEM and
styling the thematic layers.
So we have already done complete raster servers for several German States.
BTW, standards: We have established the OGC Web Coverage Processing
Service (WCPS) standard which lifts the rasdaman concept of a raster
querfy language to an OGC standard. Being editor of currently 9 geo
raster service specs in OGC we also pursue reference implementations on
the basis of rasdaman. See www.earthlook.org for demos.
-Peter
PS: Should data really exceed disk capacity (hard to believe today) then
we have a PhD thesis work which has implemented transparent tape
cabinetaccess.
On 07/21/2010 09:37 AM, Sebastian E. Ovide wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Peter Baumann
> <p.baumann at jacobs-university.de
> <mailto:p.baumann at jacobs-university.de>> wrote:
>
> On 07/20/2010 05:47 PM, Pierre Racine wrote:
>>
>> Since we have this bug with big rasters,
>>
>
> proven, any-size, ... ;-)
>
>
> what do you mean ? were you able to load a raster of 100kx150k ?
>
>
> Who is proven? Well, running a dozen-TB seamless mosaic on
> PostgreSQL for many years, having online-demos available since
> years, etc... you decide, in comparison.
>
>
> Peter, how big is your cluster to support dozen of TB ? and how fast
> are the queries ? (for example a simple lookup)
>
> -Peter
>
>
>
>> I would suggest you split your raster with something like GDAL
>> gdal_retile.py and then import your tiles into a single WKT
>> Raster table following the instruction provided in our tutorial.
>> Each tile will be stored in a column cell of type RASTER similar
>> to the PostGIS GEOMETRY type.
>>
>> As I said previously you can then query the raster in SQL like this:
>>
>> SELECT ST_Value(rast, ST_Geomfromtext('Point(-78.1 58.1)', 4326))
>>
>> FROM srtm_tiled_100x100
>>
>> WHERE ST_Intersects(rast::geometry, ST_Geomfromtext('Point(-78.1
>> 58.1)', 4326)) AND whatever you want.
>>
>> Basically WKT Raster is the first true SQL interface with which
>> is is simple to do such things… It's proven, any-size,
>> cloud-scalable, and open source J Maybe not that prooven. But who is?
>>
>> There is also rasdaman but I don’t think you can use SQL. It
>> would be nice if you could compare both… I can’t find time for
>> this. Jorge has started comparing PostGIS WKT Raster with Oracle
>> Georaster though.
>>
>> Pierre
>>
>> *From:* postgis-users-bounces at postgis.refractions.net
>> <mailto:postgis-users-bounces at postgis.refractions.net>
>> [mailto:postgis-users-bounces at postgis.refractions.net] *On Behalf
>> Of *Sebastian E. Ovide
>> *Sent:* 20 juillet 2010 10:46
>> *To:* PostGIS Users Discussion
>> *Subject:* Re: [postgis-users] WKTRaster : gdal2wktraster.py
>> cannot read AIG/Arc/Info Binary Grid
>>
>> yes... with png worked... but it was a different png (a smaller
>> one)...
>>
>> so I've converted the ESRI into a png and tried to import it...
>> and it didn't work neither...
>>
>> so this is the situation:
>> A have huge rusters (from 150kx150k).. In Oracle I would just
>> load it (the huge raster) in a single row of a GeoRaster table
>> and then Oracle GeoRaster would split it in small tiles and store
>> one tile per line of another table (Raster Data Table)... then I
>> can run a query similar to this one: SELECT
>> getcellvalue(t.rastercolumn,x,y) from GeoRasterTable t where t.id
>> <http://t.id>=1; and GeoRaster will query automatically the
>> spatial indexes and the Raster Data Table and it will find the
>> right tile etc...
>>
>> I do not know how WKTRaster works.... If I cannot import a such
>> big image, of course I can split it in smaller georeferenced
>> tiles... (how?)... but.... My main question is: after that, how
>> will the table look like ? how can I do the same query (where
>> id=1 or where name="UK" etc...) ?
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Pierre Racine
>> <Pierre.Racine at sbf.ulaval.ca
>> <mailto:Pierre.Racine at sbf.ulaval.ca>> wrote:
>>
>> Wait. You first said the png was working. Now it’s not? Did you
>> try gdal_translate with the ESRI grid? For sure I haven’t test
>> yet with such big rasters. Is this the result of a merge or all
>> your original raster are all this size? The point is that with
>> WKT Raster you don’t have to merge your raster first into a
>> gigantic raster in order to get it store in a unique table like
>> with Oracle Spatial.
>>
>> Pierre
>>
>> *From:* postgis-users-bounces at postgis.refractions.net
>> <mailto:postgis-users-bounces at postgis.refractions.net>
>> [mailto:postgis-users-bounces at postgis.refractions.net
>> <mailto:postgis-users-bounces at postgis.refractions.net>] *On
>> Behalf Of *Sebastian E. Ovide
>> *Sent:* 20 juillet 2010 05:51
>> *To:* PostGIS Users Discussion
>> *Subject:* Re: [postgis-users] WKTRaster : gdal2wktraster.py
>> cannot read AIG/Arc/Info Binary Grid
>>
>> Hi Pierre,
>>
>> Does gdal2wktraster.py have any limitation on the maximum number
>> of columnsxrows ?
>>
>> in my case, my raster is 107759 x 168633...
>>
>> gdal works well:
>>
>> sebas at SeansPC:~/rasters$ gdal_translate -of PNG raster/ test.png
>> Input file size is 107759, 168633
>> 0...10...20...30...40...50...60...70...80...90...100 - done.
>>
>>
>> sebas at SeansPC:~/rasters$ python gdal2wktraster.py -r raster/ -t
>> sebastable -o ok.sql
>> gdal2wktraster.py:695: DeprecationWarning: 'H' format requires 0
>> <= number <= 65535
>> hexwkb += wkblify('H', xsize)
>> gdal2wktraster.py:696: DeprecationWarning: 'H' format requires 0
>> <= number <= 65535
>> hexwkb += wkblify('H', ysize)
>> gdal2wktraster.py:727: DeprecationWarning: integer argument
>> expected, got float
>> hexwkb += wkblify(pt2fmt(pixtype), nodata)
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>> File "gdal2wktraster.py", line 1013, in <module>
>> main()
>> File "gdal2wktraster.py", line 976, in main
>> wkblify_raster(opts, filename, i)
>> File "gdal2wktraster.py", line 921, in wkblify_raster
>> summary = wkblify_raster_level(options, ds,
>> options.overview_level, band_range, infile, i)
>> File "gdal2wktraster.py", line 888, in wkblify_raster_level
>> hexwkb += wkblify_band(options, band, level, xoff, yoff,
>> read_block_size, block_size, infile, b)
>> File "gdal2wktraster.py", line 777, in wkblify_band
>> target_block_size[0], target_block_size[1])
>> File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/osgeo/gdal.py", line
>> 895, in ReadAsArray
>> buf_xsize, buf_ysize, buf_obj )
>> File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/osgeo/gdal_array.py",
>> line 228, in BandReadAsArray
>> ar = numpy.empty([buf_ysize,buf_xsize], dtype = typecode)
>> MemoryError
>>
>>
>> sebas at SeansPC:~/rasters$ python gdal2wktraster.py -r test.png -t
>> sebastable -o ok.sql
>> gdal2wktraster.py:695: DeprecationWarning: 'H' format requires 0
>> <= number <= 65535
>> hexwkb += wkblify('H', xsize)
>> gdal2wktraster.py:696: DeprecationWarning: 'H' format requires 0
>> <= number <= 65535
>> hexwkb += wkblify('H', ysize)
>> gdal2wktraster.py:727: DeprecationWarning: integer argument
>> expected, got float
>> hexwkb += wkblify(pt2fmt(pixtype), nodata)
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>> File "gdal2wktraster.py", line 1013, in <module>
>> main()
>> File "gdal2wktraster.py", line 976, in main
>> wkblify_raster(opts, filename, i)
>> File "gdal2wktraster.py", line 921, in wkblify_raster
>> summary = wkblify_raster_level(options, ds,
>> options.overview_level, band_range, infile, i)
>> File "gdal2wktraster.py", line 888, in wkblify_raster_level
>> hexwkb += wkblify_band(options, band, level, xoff, yoff,
>> read_block_size, block_size, infile, b)
>> File "gdal2wktraster.py", line 777, in wkblify_band
>> target_block_size[0], target_block_size[1])
>> File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/osgeo/gdal.py", line
>> 895, in ReadAsArray
>> buf_xsize, buf_ysize, buf_obj )
>> File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/osgeo/gdal_array.py",
>> line 228, in BandReadAsArray
>> ar = numpy.empty([buf_ysize,buf_xsize], dtype = typecode)
>> MemoryError
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Pierre Racine
>> <Pierre.Racine at sbf.ulaval.ca
>> <mailto:Pierre.Racine at sbf.ulaval.ca>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Sebastian,
>>
>> I can convert ESRI Grid file to .sql without problem using
>> gdal2wktraster.py and the same parameters as you. I can do both
>> integer and floating point rasters.
>>
>> Maybe this is a GDAL problem. Try to convert it using
>> gdal_translate (to tiff for example). This would be a better test
>> than just gdalinfo.
>>
>> Could you provide us with a file sample?
>>
>> Pierre
>>
>> *From:* postgis-users-bounces at postgis.refractions.net
>> <mailto:postgis-users-bounces at postgis.refractions.net>
>> [mailto:postgis-users-bounces at postgis.refractions.net
>> <mailto:postgis-users-bounces at postgis.refractions.net>] *On
>> Behalf Of *Sebastian E. Ovide
>> *Sent:* 19 juillet 2010 12:28
>> *To:* PostGIS Users Discussion
>> *Subject:* [postgis-users] WKTRaster : gdal2wktraster.py cannot
>> read AIG/Arc/Info Binary Grid
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> trying to create a SQL with gdal2wktraster.py. It works on PNG
>> but it doesn't on AIG files...
>>
>> Note: As Gdal works fine.
>>
>> C:\Program Files\PostgreSQL\8.4\bin>gdalinfo c:\tmp\raster
>> Driver: AIG/Arc/Info Binary Grid
>> Files: c:\tmp\raster
>> c:\tmp\raster\dblbnd.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\hdr.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\metadata.xml
>> c:\tmp\raster\prj.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\sta.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\vat.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\w001000.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\w001000x.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\w001001.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\w001001x.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\z001001.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\z001001x.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\z001002.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\z001002x.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\z001003.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\z001003x.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\z001004.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\z001004x.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\z001005.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\z001005x.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\z001006.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\z001006x.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\z001007.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\z001007x.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\z001008.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\z001008x.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\z001009.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\z001009x.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\z001010.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\z001010x.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\z001011.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\z001011x.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\z001012.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\z001012x.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\z001013.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\z001013x.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\z001014.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\z001014x.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\z001015.adf
>> c:\tmp\raster\z001015x.adf
>> Size is 107759, 168633
>> Coordinate System is:
>> PROJCS["unnamed",
>> GEOGCS["Unknown datum based upon the Airy 1830 ellipsoid",
>> DATUM["Not_specified_based_on_Airy_1830_ellipsoid",
>> SPHEROID["Airy 1830",6377563.396,299.3249646,
>> AUTHORITY["EPSG","7001"]],
>> AUTHORITY["EPSG","6001"]],
>> PRIMEM["Greenwich",0,
>> AUTHORITY["EPSG","8901"]],
>> UNIT["degree",0.01745329251994328,
>> AUTHORITY["EPSG","9122"]],
>> AUTHORITY["EPSG","4001"]],
>> PROJECTION["Transverse_Mercator"],
>> PARAMETER["latitude_of_origin",49],
>> PARAMETER["central_meridian",-2],
>> PARAMETER["scale_factor",0.9996012717],
>> PARAMETER["false_easting",400000],
>> PARAMETER["false_northing",-100000],
>> UNIT["METERS",1]]
>> Origin = (128110.000000000000000,813270.000000000000000)
>> Pixel Size = (5.000000000000000,-5.000000000000000)
>> Corner Coordinates:
>> Upper Left ( 128110.000, 813270.000) ( 6d29'37.32"W, 57d
>> 7'47.53"N)
>> Lower Left ( 128110.000, -29895.000) ( 5d45'40.00"W,
>> 49d34'10.24"N)
>> Upper Right ( 666905.000, 813270.000) ( 2d24'41.72"E, 57d
>> 7'58.04"N)
>> Lower Right ( 666905.000, -29895.000) ( 1d41'32.29"E,
>> 49d34'18.23"N)
>> Center ( 397507.500, 391687.500) ( 2d 2'15.04"W,
>> 53d25'18.19"N)
>> Band 1 Block=256x4 Type=Byte, ColorInterp=Undefined
>> Min=1.000 Max=4.000
>> NoData Value=255
>>
>>
>> C:\Program Files\PostgreSQL\8.4\bin>python gdal2wktraster.py -r
>> c:\tmp\raster -t sebastable -o c:\tmp\sebas.sql
>> gdal2wktraster.py:644: DeprecationWarning: 'H' format requires 0
>> <= number <= 65535
>> hexstr = binascii.hexlify(struct.pack(fmt_little, data)).upper()
>> gdal2wktraster.py:644: DeprecationWarning: integer argument
>> expected, got float
>> hexstr = binascii.hexlify(struct.pack(fmt_little, data)).upper()
>> ERROR 2: Multiplication overflow : 107759 * 168633 * 1
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>> File "gdal2wktraster.py", line 1013, in <module>
>> main()
>> File "gdal2wktraster.py", line 976, in main
>> wkblify_raster(opts, filename, i)
>> File "gdal2wktraster.py", line 921, in wkblify_raster
>> summary = wkblify_raster_level(options, ds,
>> options.overview_level, band_range, infile, i)
>> File "gdal2wktraster.py", line 888, in wkblify_raster_level
>> hexwkb += wkblify_band(options, band, level, xoff, yoff,
>> read_block_size, block_size, infile, b)
>> File "gdal2wktraster.py", line 777, in wkblify_band
>> target_block_size[0], target_block_size[1])
>> File "C:\OSGeo4W\apps\gdal-16\pymod\osgeo\gdal.py", line 835,
>> in ReadAsArray
>> buf_xsize, buf_ysize, buf_obj )
>> File "C:\OSGeo4W\apps\gdal-16\pymod\osgeo\gdal_array.py", line
>> 140, in BandReadAsArray
>> ar = numpy.reshape(ar, [buf_ysize,buf_xsize])
>> File
>> "C:\OSGeo4W\apps\Python25\lib\site-packages\numpy\core\fromnumeric.py",
>> line 116, in reshape
>> return reshape(newshape, order=order)
>> ValueError: total size of new array must be unchanged
>>
>> Any ideas ?
>> --
>> Sebastian E. Ovide
>>
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