[postgis-users] Storing geometries in variables

ruvenml at beamerbrooks.com ruvenml at beamerbrooks.com
Fri Aug 21 15:11:07 PDT 2020


You're far better off going the other way.   It's really easy to call 
PostgreSQL/PostGIS from Python and there are lots of tutorials and 
examples.  The advantage of doing it this way is you can also use Python 
for user interface interaction and graphical data display.

An alternative to consider if maps are particularly of interest is to 
write most of your code in Javascript.   PostgresSQL can create JSON 
which can be fed directly to Leaflet or Google Maps to display as maps.

It turns out that SQL is Turing Complete (without pl/SQL).  This means 
that any computation you can write in Python or any other programming 
language, you can write in SQL.  In other words, SQL is already as 
powerful as Python.  What this claim doesn't say is how large and long 
the program will be and how fast it will run. Unfortunately, that 
depends on the specific computation and the answer could go either way.

The typical usage of pl/SQL and pl/Python are like the one Stephen 
Woodbridge gave, writing a function like st_area which takes just a 
single column of a single row as input and returns a floating point 
value.  The postgreSQL query optimizer does not optimize pl/SQL 
functions so the programmer must be extremely careful to write these 
efficiently.

Ruven Brooks
On 8/21/2020 3:00 PM, Shaozhong SHI wrote:
> Hi, Steve,
>
> I have already read that.  I am reading this one now. 
> https://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.0/plpython.html 
> <https://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.0/plpython.html>
>
> I find it interesting and intriguing.  If a Do statement or a function 
> can also be written in Python, would that imply that highly complex 
> processing can be done this way?
>
> Would this add on processing power of Python onto PostgreSQL/PostGIS?
>
> I wonder who has experience on this.
>
> Regards,
>
> Shao
>
> On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 at 19:46, Stephen Woodbridge 
> <stephenwoodbridge37 at gmail.com <mailto:stephenwoodbridge37 at gmail.com>> 
> wrote:
>
>     Hi Shao,
>
>     You need to read up on plpgsql stored procedures. This allows you to
>     write functions that you can call from SQL. Sql is not a programming
>     language like Python/Perl/Basic/etc, It is a query language for
>     working
>     with relational databases and operates on sets of records.
>
>     PostgreSQL stored procedures allow you to write and apply
>     functions to
>     records or columns via the SQL language. This is what PostGIS
>     does. If
>     you have a table of polygons, you can apply an area calculation to
>     the
>     polygons in the table of some subset of them like:
>
>     select *, st_area(geom) as area from my_table;
>     select *, st_area(geom) as area from my_table where gid=1234;
>
>     If you want to write some complex analysis, write a stored
>     procedure and
>     then apply it like above. plpgsql has flow control, variables, etc
>     like
>     many other languages.
>
>     -Steve
>
>     On 8/21/2020 2:33 PM, Shaozhong SHI wrote:
>     > Hi, Ruven Brooks,
>     >
>     > I am trying to explore its potential and versatility.
>     >
>     > Can standard SQL work like a program?
>     >
>     > As I understand, DO statement is similar to a function.
>     >
>     > What I am interested in is to fully understand its capabilities and
>     > working like a program.
>     >
>     > Working like to powerful program would allow data manipulation.
>     >
>     > Have you tried writing DO statement with Python?
>     >
>     > Regards,
>     >
>     > Shao
>     >
>     > On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 at 18:52, <ruvenml at beamerbrooks.com
>     <mailto:ruvenml at beamerbrooks.com>
>     > <mailto:ruvenml at beamerbrooks.com
>     <mailto:ruvenml at beamerbrooks.com>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >
>     >     The DO statement is not in standard SQL; it is a PostgreSQL
>     >     extension used to implement procedural languages like
>     PL/SQL. Are
>     >     you writing PL/SQL code?   If so, it would be useful to have an
>     >     explanation of what you are trying to compute, particularly
>     if the
>     >     computations are geometric ones.
>     >
>     >     Ruven Brooks
>     >
>     >     On 8/21/2020 11:18 AM, Shaozhong SHI wrote:
>     >>     Hi, Ruven Brooks,
>     >>
>     >>     This is a good point.
>     >>
>     >>     I was testing in a Do statement.  I created a geometry
>     variable.
>     >>     It seems that it stored a geometry object. However, a very long
>     >>     code appeared.  It does not seem that the geometry object
>     was not
>     >>     actually stored.
>     >>
>     >>     Regards,
>     >>
>     >>     Shao
>     >>
>     >>     On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 at 15:32, <ruvenml at beamerbrooks.com
>     <mailto:ruvenml at beamerbrooks.com>
>     >>     <mailto:ruvenml at beamerbrooks.com
>     <mailto:ruvenml at beamerbrooks.com>>> wrote:
>     >>
>     >>         SQL itself has no variables.   What programming
>     language are
>     >>         you using and how does it call SQL? PosgGIS supports WKT
>     >>         format so pretty much any programming language which can
>     >>         store strings can store geometry.
>     >>
>     >>         Ruven Brooks
>     >>
>     >>         On 8/21/2020 7:54 AM, Shaozhong SHI wrote:
>     >>>         Has anyone got experience in storing geometries in
>     >>>         variables, so that these can be used in a program?
>     >>>
>     >>>         Regards,
>     >>>
>     >>>         Shao
>     >>>
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