[Qgis-community-team] Renaming Style Manager?
Jörn Gutzeit
j.gutzeit at umwelt-it.de
Tue Jan 18 07:30:52 PST 2022
Hi,
I agree with Alex: don't want to add to the confusion, but doing it
anyway :-)
When I read it, I thought: right, also for me the word ‚style‘ means how
something looks and IMHO that is what is managed in the Style Manager.
And a QML file stores (by now?) more than that.
After thinking about it: for me, what is stored in a QML file is best
described as ‚Layer Properties Settings‘, but that's probably too long
;-) Could it just be called ‚Layer Properties‘ or ‚Layer Settings‘? I
prefer Layer Settings, then a QML file would be a Layer Settings File.
Jörn
Am 15.01.22 um 11:14 schrieb Alexandre Neto:
> Not wanting to add more confusion, but adding it anyway :-p
>
> Maybe it's not the style manager that that needs to be changed, but
> the term "style" itself and how it is used.
>
> At least for me the word style is related to the way something looks.
>
> In QGIS, when you save a "style" you are actually saving many of the
> layer "properties" and not all are related to the way the layer will look.
>
> So style could be reserved to symbols, labels, color ramps, and so
> on... And maybe we need another term for what we call style now.
>
> We also have Layer Definition Files.
>
> My two cents.
>
> Alex
>
> A sexta, 14/01/2022, 21:06, Charles Dixon-Paver <charles at kartoza.com
> <mailto:charles at kartoza.com>> escreveu:
>
> +1 for Design Manager
>
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 at 23:00, Anita Graser <anitagraser at gmx.at
> <mailto:anitagraser at gmx.at>> wrote:
>
> Thanks Harrissou and Jörn,
>
> Good to see all these previous discussions. Seems like
> everyone agrees that "Style Manager" has to be renamed but we
> don't have a good alternative yet. As Nyall said in
> https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/pull/2765
> <https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/pull/2765>, "Symbol Manager" is
> not correct either.
>
> We're looking for an umbrella term that covers: symbols, color
> ramps, text formats, label settings, legend patch shapes, and
> 3D symbols.
>
> We use "resources" in the Resource Manager, however that's for
> "Symbology (SVG, images, styles), Processing scripts,
> Processing models, R scripts and checklists" (according to
> https://plugins.qgis.org/plugins/qgis_resource_sharing/
> <https://plugins.qgis.org/plugins/qgis_resource_sharing/>).
>
> Brainstorming:
>
> * Cartography Resources
> * Visual Library
> * Design Manager
> * ...
>
> What do you think about "design"?
>
> Regards,
>
> Anita
>
>
> On 14.01.2022 21:25, Jörn Gutzeit wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I also recently had a confusion between style/style: I wanted
>> to write the documentation for the new feature "Save all
>> styles" and first searched for it in the style manger (also
>> because the issue has the tag "style manager" ... ;-) ). The
>> new feature, however, makes it possible to save several
>> styles from the layer properties dialog as QML/SLD files or
>> in a db [1].
>>
>> Now we are in a discussion how to separate this styles in the
>> chapter (all layer properties) and the style manager (symbols
>> only) [2]. Renaming the style manager might help …
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jörn
>>
>> [1] https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Documentation/issues/4398
>> <https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Documentation/issues/4398>
>> [2] https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Documentation/pull/7217
>> <https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Documentation/pull/7217>
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 14.01.2022 um 16:39 schrieb Delaz J:
>>> Hi Anita, all
>>>
>>> The inconsistent use of the word "style" is indeed an issue
>>> and confusing. It was raised years ago in
>>> https://github.com/qgis/qgis3_UIX_discussion/issues/16
>>> <https://github.com/qgis/qgis3_UIX_discussion/issues/16>
>>> (and probably in QGIS repo but hard to find) with an attempt
>>> of fix at https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/pull/2765
>>> <https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/pull/2765> (you'll find some
>>> answers to your suggestion of symbol manager).
>>>
>>> Maybe the time has come for the cleanup...?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Harrissou
>>>
>>> Le 14/01/2022 à 13:14, Anita Graser a écrit :
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> This question was triggered by Tim at
>>>> https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Django/issues/231
>>>> <https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Django/issues/231>
>>>>
>>>> The terms "style" and "symbol" are used somewhat
>>>> inconsistently in the
>>>> QGIS application and on the QGIS hub website. For example,
>>>> in Settings |
>>>> Style Manager the users actually manage symbols. On the
>>>> hub, the
>>>> "styles" page allows sharing symbol definitions (XML) but
>>>> not styles (QML).
>>>>
>>>> This later inconsistency is confusing, i.e. it confused me
>>>> when I wanted
>>>> to share a QML file and realized that I cannot.
>>>>
>>>> I think it would be worthwhile to strive for more
>>>> consistency and to
>>>> rename the Style Manager because it really is a symbol
>>>> manager. It's
>>>> Import/Export functionality deals with XML symbols and not
>>>> QML styles.
>>>>
>>>> What do you think?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Anita
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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