[QGIS-Developer] GeoPackage - where are we -where do we go

[Werner Macho]

Hi Matthias,

May I add another pain here?

Storing gpkg in the cloud means syncing even after the file was only opened
in QGIS and nothing has changed inside - it was only opened to view
something.
On very large gpkg files this is also not really nice.
(Maybe I am just using gpkg wrong, but at least this happens on my
installation)

regards
Werner

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 11:31 AM Matthias Kuhn <matthias at opengis.ch> wrote:

> Hi list,
>
> I wondered about the state of GeoPackage. Personally, cince it has been
> introduced to qgis and evenmore since it has been selected as the default
> format, I have never grown to fully and completely.
>
> I do not want to trigger a evangelical discussion here. I'd like to see
> where we are and what we can reasonably do to have a default file format
> which can be recommended with no bad feelings.
>
>
> Here follow a couple of observations over the years, some of them
> properties of the specs I believe:
>
>
> * The fid requirement
>
>   I sometimes want my features to be identified by uuids or others. They
> also tend to accumulate if derived datasets are created (through processing
> etc). If I need some pseudo stable primary key there is a rowid builtin
> into sqlite, we don't need a second one.
>
>   Possible mitigation: alter the ogr implementation. possibly alter the
> standard (required?)
>
> * The modification on r/o open
>
>   Has caused too much pain on git.
>
>   Possible mitigation: a) switch to journal mode=delete (not an easy
> option because of https://issues.qgis.org/issues/15351) b) only switch to
> wal mode when layers are put into edit mode (I have strong doubts this is a
> safe thing to do)
>
> * The network share freeze
>
>   Our default file should play nicely with (windows) network shares. It's
> clear to everyone that we can't expect concurrent writes. But it should
> "just work" for concurrent read by many.
>
>   Possible mitigation: switch to journal mode=delete for network shares
> (we are looking into this)
>
> * The wal file appearing next to the file
>
>   It is confusing to newcomers and looks almost like a sidecar file. I
> would care less if it was put into some system cache folder instead of just
> into my data folder. Or at least if it was a hidden file.
>
>   Possible mitigation: switch to journal mode=delete (not an easy option
> because of https://issues.qgis.org/issues/15351)
>
> * The couple of corrupted files I have received over the years which
> could only be repaired by a command line "dump contents as sql and execute
> into new file"
>
>   I have not found a way to reproduce this. Some of them were produced by
> older qgis versions making it easy to violate foreign key constraints and
> hard to recover. This has been fixed.
>
>   Possible mitigation: offer a "repair" option in qgis. Through processing
> or "on the fly" upon detection.
>
> * Default value magic replace values on insert (with no possibility to
> pre-evaluate them)
>
>   E.g. a global sequence like on postgres would be nice. Can be worked
> around through default values in qgis though.
>
>   Possible mitigation: a)add it as a feature to sqlite. b) use qgis
> default values. c) live with it.
>
> * The requirement for a single geometry column per table
>
>   I just don't see a good reason to forbid that
>
>   Possible mitigation: a) alter the standard. b) ignore the standard and
> patch the ogr implementation.
>
>
> I wonder how others feel about these topics.
>
>
> - Are there more pain points I forgot to list?
>
> - Do you see more approaches to mitigate these problems?
>
> - Is someone already working on these issues?
>
>
> It would be great to have a standard file format that we can fully trust.
> Let's make a reality check if GeoPackage can be this format.
>
> Best regards
> --
> Matthias Kuhn
> matthias at opengis.ch
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