[QGIS-Developer] [Qgis-psc] [Qgis-community-team] QGIS webserver size vs publishing old docs

Tue Mar 21 01:48:50 PDT 2023

Hi,
Thanks all for the feedback

I second the (somewhat reformulated by myself) opinion that we shouldn't
just buy space or disk because we would be financially able to do so. Not
sure it is a sustainable behavior and we'd just be postponing the issue
(remember, pyqgis repo is also concerned). We rather should identify what
we do really want/need to provide to our community. So I'm glad you'll
discuss this at Den Bosch.* (and I keep updating my list of todo for the
sys admin)*
I also second the suggestion to delete 2.8 and 2.14. It'd release enough
space to serve 3.28.

About the questions:
Hannes, the folders are so big because they serve (in about 15 to 20
languages):
- the HTML files (the ones we all know)
- the PDF files (e.g. https://docs.qgis.org/3.22/pdf/)
- and the zipped HTML files (https://docs.qgis.org/3.22/zip/) for local use
for people that do not have full access to WEB but not sure if anyone is
using them. It could be interesting to know stats of downloads (if any).

About why 3.10 is bigger than 3.22, it had two languages we no longer
publish, and looks like we managed somehow to provide smaller files
(plugins and third-party providers chapters that were removed on the road?
🤔)

Bernd, sorry for the old docs popping up during search. Unfortunately, not
something new [0], and we still are looking for people with knowledge in
this area to help us improve the situation. What I usually do is to replace
the version number in the URL and most of the times, it work well unless
the file has been restructured.
The line that shows the top message is at [1]. If someone knows how we can
add the section anchor to that URL, suggestions are more than welcome.

[0] https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Documentation/issues/6449 and there might
be older discussion in ML
[1]
https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Documentation/blob/master/themes/rtd_qgis/layout.html#L14

Greetings,
Harrissou

Le lun. 20 mars 2023 à 21:51, Andreas Neumann via QGIS-PSC <
qgis-psc at lists.osgeo.org> a écrit :

> Hi,
>
> Thank you for checking, Richard - yes an additional 35 € per month for
> just 80gb more is not nothing ... compared to a root server.
>
> Ok - let's delete the 2.8 and 2.14 releases. I think it would be good to
> keep the latest 2.x (2.18) around. This should give us some initial room to
> serve the current documentation. If we need additional space. we could also
> remove the 3.10 documentation.
>
> And yes, it is a good idea to discuss infrastructure tasks and
> responsibilities in Den Bosch!
>
> I hope that Kartoza can soon find a good sysadmin person - now that the
> idea to employ a Sysadmin and the funds had been approved.
>
> Andreas
>
> On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 at 21:39, Richard Duivenvoorde <rdmailings at duif.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On 3/20/23 17:31, Andreas Neumann wrote:
>> > Hi Matthias,
>> >
>> > Sure - buying more space is an option. I would like to get an idea -
>> however - what the monthly expected costs are. Is this a "virtual" server
>> at Hetzner? How much disk space does it have currently, how much do we
>> want? What is the price difference?
>>
>> Building is done on a real Hetzner server: qgis6.org a Hetzner EX42 Root
>> server  about 50euro/month
>> Serving the site + docs is done on www2.qgis.org a Hetzner Cloud cpx31
>> 160GB disk 14euro/ month (as cloud would be cheaper etc etc)
>>
>> We can upgrade the www2 to a newer bigger CLOUD server, but that is about
>> 35 euro/month for just 80Gb more..
>> Probably then it is better to leave the cloud, and just add an extra root
>> server on which you have a couple of terrabytes... for 50 euro/month
>>
>> Can we sit together in Den Bosch and do decide something on this? I
>> really feel unhappy if people telling us "why is there even a need to
>> care": we/I am not a sysadmin, so everybody with great knowledge and
>> idea's: please help out!
>>
>> > At some point - cleanup of old stuff just makes sense. Getting rid of
>> version 2.14 and 3.8 (it probable should mean 3.8 and not 2.8 - right)
>> would make sense. Documentation always focuses on LTR versions, so all the
>> "in-between" versions that are older than 3-4 years could be deleted.
>> >>         # du -hs *
>> >>         255M    doc-test
>> >>         579M    QGIS-Documentation
>> >>         7.2G    QGIS-Documentation-2.14
>> >>         6.3G    QGIS-Documentation-2.18
>> >>         7.7G    QGIS-Documentation-2.8
>> >>         12G     QGIS-Documentation-3.10
>> >>         11G     QGIS-Documentation-3.16
>> >>         9.4G    QGIS-Documentation-3.22
>> >>         579M    QGIS-Documentation-3.28
>> >>         8.0G    QGIS-Documentation-3.4
>> >>         31G     QGIS-tests
>> >>         16G     QGIS-Website
>>
>> We still have version 2 (TWO) .8 .14 and .18 around :-) so it NOT a
>> typo...
>> So: can I delete those?
>> And also 3.10 (as this is a 2018 release)
>>
>> The QGIS-tests dir, contains the info available at:
>> http://test.qgis.org
>> BUT!!! that url/dns actually still points to the old server (qgis2)
>> That site hosts the ogcapif / wfs / wms tests (untill 26th of januari)???
>>
>> Anybody feeling need or responsible for this?
>> We are not serving (yet) test.qgis.org from www2 ...
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>
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