[QGIS-Developer] [Qgis-psc] [Qgis-community-team] QGIS webserver size vs publishing old docs

Tue Mar 21 07:50:37 PDT 2023

Thank you!

I am also in Den Bosch and so I would love to join the discussion there, 
hopefully with valuable contributions and solutions :))

Cheers, Hannes

Am 21.03.23 um 09:48 schrieb DelazJ via QGIS-Developer:
> Hi,
> Thanks all for the feedback
>
> I second the (somewhat reformulated by myself) opinion that we 
> shouldn't just buy space or disk because we would be financially able 
> to do so. Not sure it is a sustainable behavior and we'd just be 
> postponing the issue (remember, pyqgis repo is also concerned). We 
> rather should identify what we do really want/need to provide to our 
> community. So I'm glad you'll discuss this at Den Bosch./(and I keep 
> updating my list of todo for the sys admin)/
> I also second the suggestion to delete 2.8 and 2.14. It'd release 
> enough space to serve 3.28.
>
> About the questions:
> Hannes, the folders are so big because they serve (in about 15 to 20 
> languages):
> - the HTML files (the ones we all know)
> - the PDF files (e.g. https://docs.qgis.org/3.22/pdf/)
> - and the zipped HTML files (https://docs.qgis.org/3.22/zip/) for 
> local use for people that do not have full access to WEB but not sure 
> if anyone is using them. It could be interesting to know stats of 
> downloads (if any).
>
> About why 3.10 is bigger than 3.22, it had two languages we no longer 
> publish, and looks like we managed somehow to provide smaller files 
> (plugins and third-party providers chapters that were removed on the 
> road? 🤔)
>
> Bernd, sorry for the old docs popping up during search. Unfortunately, 
> not something new [0], and we still are looking for people with 
> knowledge in this area to help us improve the situation. What I 
> usually do is to replace the version number in the URL and most of the 
> times, it work well unless the file has been restructured.
> The line that shows the top message is at [1]. If someone knows how we 
> can add the section anchor to that URL, suggestions are more than welcome.
>
> [0] https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Documentation/issues/6449 and there 
> might be older discussion in ML
> [1] 
> https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Documentation/blob/master/themes/rtd_qgis/layout.html#L14
>
> Greetings,
> Harrissou
>
> Le lun. 20 mars 2023 à 21:51, Andreas Neumann via QGIS-PSC 
> <qgis-psc at lists.osgeo.org> a écrit :
>
>     Hi,
>
>     Thank you for checking, Richard - yes an additional 35 € per month
>     for just 80gb more is not nothing ... compared to a root server.
>
>     Ok - let's delete the 2.8 and 2.14 releases. I think it would be
>     good to keep the latest 2.x (2.18) around. This should give us
>     some initial room to serve the current documentation. If we need
>     additional space. we could also remove the 3.10 documentation.
>
>     And yes, it is a good idea to discuss infrastructure tasks and
>     responsibilities in Den Bosch!
>
>     I hope that Kartoza can soon find a good sysadmin person - now
>     that the idea to employ a Sysadmin and the funds had been approved.
>
>     Andreas
>
>     On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 at 21:39, Richard Duivenvoorde
>     <rdmailings at duif.net> wrote:
>
>         On 3/20/23 17:31, Andreas Neumann wrote:
>         > Hi Matthias,
>         >
>         > Sure - buying more space is an option. I would like to get
>         an idea - however - what the monthly expected costs are. Is
>         this a "virtual" server at Hetzner? How much disk space does
>         it have currently, how much do we want? What is the price
>         difference?
>
>         Building is done on a real Hetzner server: qgis6.org
>         <http://qgis6.org> a Hetzner EX42 Root server  about 50euro/month
>         Serving the site + docs is done on www2.qgis.org
>         <http://www2.qgis.org> a Hetzner Cloud cpx31  160GB disk
>         14euro/ month (as cloud would be cheaper etc etc)
>
>         We can upgrade the www2 to a newer bigger CLOUD server, but
>         that is about 35 euro/month for just 80Gb more..
>         Probably then it is better to leave the cloud, and just add an
>         extra root server on which you have a couple of terrabytes...
>         for 50 euro/month
>
>         Can we sit together in Den Bosch and do decide something on
>         this? I really feel unhappy if people telling us "why is there
>         even a need to care": we/I am not a sysadmin, so everybody
>         with great knowledge and idea's: please help out!
>
>         > At some point - cleanup of old stuff just makes sense.
>         Getting rid of version 2.14 and 3.8 (it probable should mean
>         3.8 and not 2.8 - right) would make sense. Documentation
>         always focuses on LTR versions, so all the "in-between"
>         versions that are older than 3-4 years could be deleted.
>         >>         # du -hs *
>         >>         255M    doc-test
>         >>         579M    QGIS-Documentation
>         >>         7.2G    QGIS-Documentation-2.14
>         >>         6.3G    QGIS-Documentation-2.18
>         >>         7.7G    QGIS-Documentation-2.8
>         >>         12G     QGIS-Documentation-3.10
>         >>         11G     QGIS-Documentation-3.16
>         >>         9.4G    QGIS-Documentation-3.22
>         >>         579M    QGIS-Documentation-3.28
>         >>         8.0G    QGIS-Documentation-3.4
>         >>         31G     QGIS-tests
>         >>         16G     QGIS-Website
>
>         We still have version 2 (TWO) .8 .14 and .18 around :-) so it
>         NOT a typo...
>         So: can I delete those?
>         And also 3.10 (as this is a 2018 release)
>
>         The QGIS-tests dir, contains the info available at:
>         http://test.qgis.org
>         BUT!!! that url/dns actually still points to the old server
>         (qgis2)
>         That site hosts the ogcapif / wfs / wms tests (untill 26th of
>         januari)???
>
>         Anybody feeling need or responsible for this?
>         We are not serving (yet) test.qgis.org <http://test.qgis.org>
>         from www2 ...
>
>         Regards,
>
>         Richard
>
>
>
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>     Andreas Neumann
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