[QGIS-Developer] [Qgis-psc] [Qgis-community-team] QGIS webserver size vs publishing old docs
Serkan Girgin
girgink at gmail.com
Thu Mar 23 13:51:46 PDT 2023
Hi all,
Instead of deleting, would you consider putting the old documentation to a
repository, e.g. Zenodo, so that they are archived for long term? Zenodo
allows up to 50GB for each record and it is free. You can also create a
community page, so that all records are accessible from a single point:
https://zenodo.org/communities/
Best,
Serkan
On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 at 15:50, Johannes Kröger (WhereGroup) via
QGIS-Developer <qgis-developer at lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
> Thank you!
>
> I am also in Den Bosch and so I would love to join the discussion there,
> hopefully with valuable contributions and solutions :))
>
> Cheers, Hannes
> Am 21.03.23 um 09:48 schrieb DelazJ via QGIS-Developer:
>
> Hi,
> Thanks all for the feedback
>
> I second the (somewhat reformulated by myself) opinion that we shouldn't
> just buy space or disk because we would be financially able to do so. Not
> sure it is a sustainable behavior and we'd just be postponing the issue
> (remember, pyqgis repo is also concerned). We rather should identify what
> we do really want/need to provide to our community. So I'm glad you'll
> discuss this at Den Bosch.* (and I keep updating my list of todo for the
> sys admin)*
> I also second the suggestion to delete 2.8 and 2.14. It'd release enough
> space to serve 3.28.
>
> About the questions:
> Hannes, the folders are so big because they serve (in about 15 to 20
> languages):
> - the HTML files (the ones we all know)
> - the PDF files (e.g. https://docs.qgis.org/3.22/pdf/)
> - and the zipped HTML files (https://docs.qgis.org/3.22/zip/) for local
> use for people that do not have full access to WEB but not sure if anyone
> is using them. It could be interesting to know stats of downloads (if any).
>
> About why 3.10 is bigger than 3.22, it had two languages we no longer
> publish, and looks like we managed somehow to provide smaller files
> (plugins and third-party providers chapters that were removed on the road?
> 🤔)
>
> Bernd, sorry for the old docs popping up during search. Unfortunately, not
> something new [0], and we still are looking for people with knowledge in
> this area to help us improve the situation. What I usually do is to replace
> the version number in the URL and most of the times, it work well unless
> the file has been restructured.
> The line that shows the top message is at [1]. If someone knows how we
> can add the section anchor to that URL, suggestions are more than welcome.
>
> [0] https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Documentation/issues/6449 and there
> might be older discussion in ML
> [1]
> https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Documentation/blob/master/themes/rtd_qgis/layout.html#L14
>
> Greetings,
> Harrissou
>
> Le lun. 20 mars 2023 à 21:51, Andreas Neumann via QGIS-PSC <
> qgis-psc at lists.osgeo.org> a écrit :
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thank you for checking, Richard - yes an additional 35 € per month for
>> just 80gb more is not nothing ... compared to a root server.
>>
>> Ok - let's delete the 2.8 and 2.14 releases. I think it would be good to
>> keep the latest 2.x (2.18) around. This should give us some initial room to
>> serve the current documentation. If we need additional space. we could also
>> remove the 3.10 documentation.
>>
>> And yes, it is a good idea to discuss infrastructure tasks and
>> responsibilities in Den Bosch!
>>
>> I hope that Kartoza can soon find a good sysadmin person - now that the
>> idea to employ a Sysadmin and the funds had been approved.
>>
>> Andreas
>>
>> On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 at 21:39, Richard Duivenvoorde <rdmailings at duif.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/20/23 17:31, Andreas Neumann wrote:
>>> > Hi Matthias,
>>> >
>>> > Sure - buying more space is an option. I would like to get an idea -
>>> however - what the monthly expected costs are. Is this a "virtual" server
>>> at Hetzner? How much disk space does it have currently, how much do we
>>> want? What is the price difference?
>>>
>>> Building is done on a real Hetzner server: qgis6.org a Hetzner EX42
>>> Root server about 50euro/month
>>> Serving the site + docs is done on www2.qgis.org a Hetzner Cloud cpx31
>>> 160GB disk 14euro/ month (as cloud would be cheaper etc etc)
>>>
>>> We can upgrade the www2 to a newer bigger CLOUD server, but that is
>>> about 35 euro/month for just 80Gb more..
>>> Probably then it is better to leave the cloud, and just add an extra
>>> root server on which you have a couple of terrabytes... for 50 euro/month
>>>
>>> Can we sit together in Den Bosch and do decide something on this? I
>>> really feel unhappy if people telling us "why is there even a need to
>>> care": we/I am not a sysadmin, so everybody with great knowledge and
>>> idea's: please help out!
>>>
>>> > At some point - cleanup of old stuff just makes sense. Getting rid of
>>> version 2.14 and 3.8 (it probable should mean 3.8 and not 2.8 - right)
>>> would make sense. Documentation always focuses on LTR versions, so all the
>>> "in-between" versions that are older than 3-4 years could be deleted.
>>> >> # du -hs *
>>> >> 255M doc-test
>>> >> 579M QGIS-Documentation
>>> >> 7.2G QGIS-Documentation-2.14
>>> >> 6.3G QGIS-Documentation-2.18
>>> >> 7.7G QGIS-Documentation-2.8
>>> >> 12G QGIS-Documentation-3.10
>>> >> 11G QGIS-Documentation-3.16
>>> >> 9.4G QGIS-Documentation-3.22
>>> >> 579M QGIS-Documentation-3.28
>>> >> 8.0G QGIS-Documentation-3.4
>>> >> 31G QGIS-tests
>>> >> 16G QGIS-Website
>>>
>>> We still have version 2 (TWO) .8 .14 and .18 around :-) so it NOT a
>>> typo...
>>> So: can I delete those?
>>> And also 3.10 (as this is a 2018 release)
>>>
>>> The QGIS-tests dir, contains the info available at:
>>> http://test.qgis.org
>>> BUT!!! that url/dns actually still points to the old server (qgis2)
>>> That site hosts the ogcapif / wfs / wms tests (untill 26th of januari)???
>>>
>>> Anybody feeling need or responsible for this?
>>> We are not serving (yet) test.qgis.org from www2 ...
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>
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>>
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