[Qgis-psc] Discussion our financial situation

[Andreas Neumann]

Hi, 

Yes - we need a relatively quick decision. Grant proposal usually take
longer to process. 

My suggestion: let's discuss this at next week's PSC meeting. Now that
we have 2-3 good proposals, we have a good ground for discussions. 

I am sorry that I come late with this - but earlier, the situation was
way too unclear and impossible to project our funds until the year's
end. It is still a bit vague. Maybe at the end it will be 12 or 18k that
we have available. 

As to taxes: 

We can make up to 10k CHF profit per year (approx. 9.2k EUR) without
having to pay taxes on that income, but if we go beyond it, a
significant amount of the income will be taxes. There might be a way to
accumulate such excess income as allowings (Rückstellungen) for expected
extra expenses - but when I read the tax documents, this is mainly about
"things", like buying a car, IT hardware, investing into buildings,
repairs or replacements of things we need, etc. Our "digital nature" of
our association doesn't fit that schema very well ;-) 

The tax is 8% on the revenues (if we go beyond 10k revenues). So if our
revenue is 12k CHF, we'd pay 960 CHF taxes (I'd like to avoid that). The
tax on financial assets (our amount on the account on Dec 31) is 0.75
per mille - so negligible. 

I will have to investigate if the loss from last year that we had, can
be taken into account for this year, thus decreasing our revenues, but
it isn't yet clear to me. 

Now that I read the documents from the tax office again - the tax
declaration for this year will be different anyway. I just read that
membership payments (our sustaining memberships) are not regarded as
part of the revenues (that accounts for more than 50% of our income). I
just learned that minutes ago. Actually, that's quite good for us, but
it will make accounting a bit more complicated. 

I'll try to summarize the situation until PSC meeting next week. 

Greetings, 

Andreas 

On 2019-11-14 12:46, Matthias Kuhn wrote:

> If I understand Andreas correctly it needs to be spent soon because of taxes.
> 
> Personally I'm happy with grant proposals just as much as I trust the PSC to spend this wisely in an ad-hoc situation.
> 
> Matthias
> 
> On 11/14/19 12:35 PM, Paolo Cavallini wrote: Hi all,
> why not doing this through grants? I think (as the following discussion
> shows) that deciding within the PSC what specific work to fund is always
> open to discussions. Grants have proved IMHO to be a transparent and
> efficient way of investing.
> Cheers.
> 
> Il 14/11/19 08:23, Andreas Neumann ha scritto: Hi Tim
> 
> Improving our infrastructure (stripe integration, changelog, etc.) is
> definitely worth-while investing into it. Do you have estimates, how
> much time/money certain tasks would imply?
> 
> Or should we say - let's dedicate 10k EUR and let you work with it?
> 
> Yes, I also agree that bug fixing is always useful.
> 
> Thanks for your reply and greetings,
> 
> Andreas
> 
> On 2019-11-14 01:00, Tim Sutton wrote:
> 
> Hi
> I would be grateful if we (Kartoza) could get funded to add the stripe
> etc integration into the sponsorships platform, stripe payments for
> certifications, and also improving the infrastructure management to
> have a better setup for hosting plugins, feed, changelog, planet, and
> automating the hosting of API Docs and QGIS site as GitHub pages or
> similar static hosting environment. Many of these task are already
> underway but it would help us to get dedicated time from Anita Hapsari
> onto this.
> Beyond that bug fixing is always a worthwhile thing to spend funds on,
> we seem to have an endless supply :-P
> Regards
> Tim
> 
> On 13 Nov 2019, at 21:57, Andreas Neumann <a.neumann at carto.net
> <mailto:a.neumann at carto.net>> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I compiled a summary of our financial situation and compare it with
> the budget:
> 
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I_xXVE8RGBNFnJGoBhdLYO4MVm8DlCRudhM1DRINSq8/edit#gid=0
> 
> I also added expected income and expenses. Both our income and
> expenses will be higher than expected.
> 
> In summary, we should spend an additional 15-18k EUR until the end of
> the year that is not in the budget or expected expenses in order not
> to have to pay taxes on revenues.
> 
> Any ideas? Do we have useful and important work that could be
> finished until January for around 15k?
> 
> Should we invest more QGIS bug fixing? Documentation (if we find
> one)? Our infrastructure? Or upstream qt5 improvements?
> 
> Thanks for the discussion,
> 
> Andreas
> 
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