[Qgis-psc] Migrating to free software

[Marco Bernasocchi]

Hi Tim, Hi Paolo,

I was writing a mail and than had to quickly leave, meanwhile Tim
expressed more or less my thoughts.

We voted on making a policy on adopting new tools as a FOSS first when a
*reasonable* solution is available we did not vote on moving to
nextcloud now.

As you told me yesterday, what I might see as practical might not be
practical for others, I guess I could quote you now.

We've agreed to move jitsi instead of google meet, not on changing
everything now. The vote on nextcloud had a 0 result even before Tim's
-1. and yet you start using what _you_ suggest being more practical.

Same goes for polls/ML as an alternative to loomio, we have a good
opensource solution that successfully worked last year [1], is AGPLv3
[2] and offers us a massive discount on their service (we pay
1$/user/year instead of per month [4]) and could even be self hosted [3]
and yet you write in the OSGEO-SAC ticket [5] that "we are planning to
use it".

With all respect, I think It is not about loomio/the tools it is, as I
mentioned earlier today in the website PR [6], about the discussions we
have as PSC and not only your opinion.

Ciao

Marco

[1] https://www.loomio.org/d/BO2LChvc/general-assembly-2019/8
[2] https://github.com/loomio/loomio/
[3] https://help.loomio.org/en/dev_manual/
[4] https://www.loomio.org/special_pricing
[5] https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/2434
[6] https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Website/pull/747

On 08.04.20 12:46, Tim Sutton wrote:
> Hi All
>
> It’s a pity I was not allowed to join the meeting yesterday, anyway, I
> have added my votes in the meeting document. If I had been there, I
> would have suggested changing the wording as per my comments below:
>
>
>  *
>     Paolo suggests free software should be the first choice. We should
>     choose proprietary alternatives only when it is proven that free
>     software fails to provide a reasonable solution. The PSC should
>     vote in case a proprietary solution is suggested.
>      o
>         +1 Jürgen
>      o
>         +1 Paolo
>      o
>         +1 Andreas
>      o
>         +1 Marco
>      o
>         +1 Anita
>      o
>         -1 Tim - Prefer that we vote on *any* solution (Proprietary or
>         FOSS and choose it based on merrits rather than its license).
>
> Paolo I think you are jumping the gun writing stuff in NextCloud below
> - we should approach things in an orderly and democratic fashion:
>
> 1 someone proposes a new platform e.g. next cloud for docs
> 2 they propose a migration strategy for existing content that needs to
> move to that platform
> 3 they propose who will do the migration
> 4 they propose what if any funding implications there are
> 5 they propose a timeline for the migration
> 6 they describe how the infrastructure is managed if it is self hosted
> (e.g. do we have backups, who has admin, who fixes issues)
> 7 we vote on it having been given reasonable time to consider the
> above information and test out the alternative
> 8 assuming we vote to agree with the proposal 
> 9 we then start using the new platform
>
> I don’t think it is fair or reasonable to just skip 1-8 and start on 9.
>
> Regards
>
> Tim
>
>
>> On 8 Apr 2020, at 08:50, Paolo Cavallini <cavallini at faunalia.it
>> <mailto:cavallini at faunalia.it>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> following the resolution of yesterday, I set up a shared dir in:
>> https://nextcloud.osgeo.org/
>> and I wrote a document on the proprietary software we currently use, and
>> the possible alternatives.
>> Comments are most welcome.
>> Please note: there is a native free client for all major OSs, so this
>> should be fast and easy to use.
>> Cheers.
>> -- 
>> Paolo Cavallini
>> www.faunalia.eu: training, support, development on QGIS, PostGIS and more
>> QGIS.ORG Chair
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