[Qgis-psc] [VOTE] Re: AGM voting: invalid votes

Sat May 2 04:21:16 PDT 2020

Hi All,

On 02.05.20 11:20, Andreas Neumann wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I kind of compare our voting members with a parliament. Because voting
> members are representatives of other people,
>
only half of the voting members represent other people
>
> it is important that these votes are public and not anonymous. All
> votes of parliament members are public (at least in many countries).
> In Switzerland there is a website that publishes all votes of all
> parliament members:
> https://www.parlament.ch/de/ratsbetrieb/abstimmungen/wer-hat-wie-abgestimmt-im-nationalrat
> (available in german, french, italian - no english). There you can
> filter by party, topic, people, etc. - it is important that these
> votes are public, so one can decide which persons to re-elect or check
> if the voting member voted as promised to the people they represent.
>
> I think anonymous voting would be important if all our end users would
> have a vote.
>
as above, half of the people are end users.
>
> Does this make sense to you?
>
to me both options are ok, we just need to decide. it is just a bit
weird for me being candidate and taking care of the correctness of the
votes.
>
> Even if we decided to go anonymous, this would be technically
> difficult as Tim said.
>
not really, it depends on the solution we use. With loomio we can do
anonymous voting [0] for logged in users. They have a whole guide on how
to run virtual AGM's [0]

Cheers Marco

[0]
https://help.loomio.org/en/guides/virtual_agm/#5-electing-directors-and-appointing-board-members

[1] https://help.loomio.org/en/guides/virtual_agm/

> Andreas
>
> Am 02.05.20 um 11:10 schrieb Tim Sutton:
>> Hi
>>
>> For me I think everything is already transparent. If someone wants to
>> cross reference results we can share the spreadsheet and we share
>> already the methodology by which scores are calculated. We cannot
>> really have anonymity and accountability at the same time (e.g. we
>> need to be able to check that only valid users are making votes).
>> Although we could do something like give voters voting tokens or
>> other non descriptive identifiers so that we can’t directly see who
>> voted for who. Otherwise we could specify that all votes cast will be
>> public - which is about the most transparent we could be - maybe a
>> nice idea? Let's discuss at the PSC meeting rather on voting directly
>> on this.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>> On 2 May 2020, at 09:59, Paolo Cavallini <cavallini at faunalia.it
>>> <mailto:cavallini at faunalia.it>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Andreas, Marco,
>>> thanks for taking care of this. Lesson learned for the future: we need
>>> an electoral commission, made by non candidates which will guarantee the
>>> transparency and coherence of the operation.
>>> Also, I believe we must guarantee anonymity.
>>> Please vote on this resolution.
>>> Cheers.
>>>
>>> Il 02/05/20 10:38, Marco Bernasocchi ha scritto:
>>>> Hi Andreas, thanks for asking them,
>>>>
>>>> did they resubmit?
>>>>
>>>> it is also possible for them to directly edit their forms if they don't
>>>> want to resubmit, just let me know if they need help in getting the
>>>> link
>>>> for editing their answers.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Marco
>>>>
>>>> On 29.04.20 09:51, Andreas Neumann wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok - I will ask these three people to resubmit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andreas
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 29.04.20 um 08:55 schrieb Anita Graser:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1 for resubmit if feasible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anita
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 28.04.2020 22:20, Luigi Pirelli wrote:
>>>>>>> IMHO "ask those people to resubmit"
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 18:15, Andreas Neumann
>>>>>>> <a.neumann at carto.net <mailto:a.neumann at carto.net>
>>>>>>> <mailto:a.neumann at carto.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Our AGM voting form isn't bullet-proof. There are three votes
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>    accepted myself as treasurer, but then again a second time as a
>>>>>>>    regular
>>>>>>>    PSC member.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Should we declare these votes as invalid or ask those people to
>>>>>>>    resubmit
>>>>>>>    and so the previous record can be deleted?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    There might some tight results, so this can lead to different
>>>>>>>    outcomes
>>>>>>>    what we decide here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Greetings,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Andreas
>>>>>>>
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