[Qgis-psc] [VOTE] Re: AGM voting: invalid votes

[Nathan Woodrow]

Hey,

I was always under the assumption the votes are anonymous and IMO it should
stay that way.    I feel like any votes for this kind of thing (positions
of power etc) should always be anonymous to avoid 1) hurt feeling "I
thought they liked me why didn't they vote for me" 2) people questioning
other people's votes after the fact e.g bullying 3) if just feels off to me
for this kind of thing.

It's like when we vote here in Australia. We get marked off that we have
voted before we vote and then we vote in a seperate section with no
connection to name.  I know that doing this non electronically allows for
this flow better, but I think we should look for options to allow that kind
of thing.

I know we are doing the best we can for now but if double votes and/or
being voted for the different positions is a issue I think we should
address that first before dumping lists of names and who voted for who.

- Nathan

On Sun, 3 May 2020, 4:54 am Tim Sutton, <tim at kartoza.com> wrote:

> Sounds good to me.
>
> Regards
>
> Tim
>
> On Sat, 2 May 2020, 17:28 Andreas Neumann, <a.neumann at carto.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We can discuss it in the next meeting. But I am also reluctant, as we
>> didn't communicate it in advance. Not ideal. We can start doing next year
>> and clearly tell people about it.
>>
>> Andreas
>> Am 02.05.20 um 18:11 schrieb Marco Bernasocchi:
>>
>> We could do that, we need to check in the charter and previous
>> communications if it is not said somewhere that the votes are anonymous. We
>> need to be sure that we'd not break anybody's trust by maybe changing a
>> policy.
>>
>> let's discuss it Tuesday.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Marco
>> On 02.05.20 17:33, Tim Sutton wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> Why don’t we already publish the list of voters and their votes (with
>> email addresses removed) somewhere e.g. in the AGM minutes. That way all
>> voters can confirm that their vote was registered as intended, and members
>> of the country groups can confirm that their collective vote was recorded
>> as expected?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On 2 May 2020, at 12:51, Andreas Neumann <andreas at qgis.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Marco,
>>
>> My comments are inline.
>>
>> On Sat, 2 May 2020 at 13:22, Marco Bernasocchi <marco at qgis.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>> On 02.05.20 11:20, Andreas Neumann wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I kind of compare our voting members with a parliament. Because voting
>>> members are representatives of other people,
>>>
>>> only half of the voting members represent other people
>>>
>>
>> One could really argue about this. Our contributor community is much
>> larger than we have community voting members. Also, the community votes for
>> their voting members to represent the whole community. So in this sense,
>> all voting members vote on behalf of a larger community they represent.
>>
>>
>>> it is important that these votes are public and not anonymous. All votes
>>> of parliament members are public (at least in many countries). In
>>> Switzerland there is a website that publishes all votes of all parliament
>>> members:
>>> https://www.parlament.ch/de/ratsbetrieb/abstimmungen/wer-hat-wie-abgestimmt-im-nationalrat
>>>  (available in german, french, italian - no english). There you can
>>> filter by party, topic, people, etc. - it is important that these votes are
>>> public, so one can decide which persons to re-elect or check if the voting
>>> member voted as promised to the people they represent.
>>>
>>>
>>> I think anonymous voting would be important if all our end users would
>>> have a vote.
>>>
>>> as above, half of the people are end users.
>>>
>>> Does this make sense to you?
>>>
>>> to me both options are ok, we just need to decide. it is just a bit
>>> weird for me being candidate and taking care of the correctness of the
>>> votes.
>>>
>>
>> I agree here. As Paolo said, we could  have 2 people outside of PSC to
>> take care about a correct voting.
>>
>>
>>> Even if we decided to go anonymous, this would be technically difficult
>>> as Tim said.
>>>
>>> not really, it depends on the solution we use. With loomio we can do
>>> anonymous voting [0] for logged in users. They have a whole guide on how to
>>> run virtual AGM's [0]
>>>
>> That's good to know that a technical solution exists, should we decide
>> that we want anonymous voting.
>>
>> Andreas
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