[Qgis-psc] Request about training certificates from QGIS user group Ecuador

Mon Jan 31 15:44:31 PST 2022

Hi

Thanks for sharing your rationale Anita, +1 for option 3 from me on that
basis.

Regards

Tim

On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 1:38 PM Andreas Neumann <andreas at qgis.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I agree with Anita. Option 2 seems more consistent. It ensures that there
> are always two parties accepting an application for training certification.
>
> I also don't expect a "flood" of applications from user groups. It would
> probably be more the exception than the rule that a user group also applies
> for running QGIS training with training certificates.
>
> Andreas
>
> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 at 14:20, Anita Graser <anitagraser at gmx.at> wrote:
>
>> I'm not against option 3 but I was voting for option 2 for the following
>> reason: If the applicant is not a user group, then a user group and the
>> reviewer check that everything is in order. However, if the applicant is a
>> user group and we still want to have two parties that look over the
>> application, then reviewer and PSC seems like a natural approach.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Anita
>> On 31.01.2022 12:48, Tim Sutton wrote:
>>
>> Hi Hans
>>
>> Apologies, I stand corrected, I assume Anita also intended 3?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 8:19 AM Hans van der Kwast <
>> h.vanderkwast at un-ihe.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tim,
>>>
>>>
>>> That's in fact option 3: review of course materials, decision by
>>> reviewer.
>>>
>>>
>>> If there are no objections with that, I'll proceed with requesting the
>>> course materials from QGIS Ecuador.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> Hans
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Tim Sutton <tim at kartoza.com>
>>> *Sent:* 28 January 2022 20:07
>>> *To:* Hans van der Kwast
>>> *Cc:* Marco Bernasocchi; Andreas Neumann; QGIS PSC List; Kurt Menke
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Qgis-psc] Request about training certificates from QGIS
>>> user group Ecuador
>>>
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>>>
>>> Hi Hans
>>>
>>> I would be good for option 2 - I dont think the PSC needs to get
>>> involved unless you want to defer to them for advice. For me that follows
>>> the Principle of Self Organisation better.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 7:28 AM Hans van der Kwast <
>>> h.vanderkwast at un-ihe.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't recall the arguments we had for not allowing user groups to
>>>> join the certificate program and I'm not against that.
>>>>
>>>> So I assume we all agree that user groups can apply.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For the review, however, we can't apply the normal procedure and need
>>>> to decide how to come to a decision.
>>>>
>>>> Here are some options. I prefer the first one.
>>>>
>>>>    1. Applications of official User Groups will be immediately
>>>>    accepted by the reviewer. User Groups by definition contribute to QGIS and
>>>>    we can assume that given the expertise in the group the course materials
>>>>    are of high quality and up-to-date.
>>>>    2. After application of a User Group they are asked to provide
>>>>    course materials for review. PSC takes decision based on advise from
>>>>    reviewer (in the normal procedure a User Group takes the decision and if
>>>>    there's no User Group, the PSC takes the decision based on advise from the
>>>>    reviewer).
>>>>    3. Same as 2, but reviewer takes the decission without involvement
>>>>    of PSC.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please let me know your opinions so I can proceed with the application
>>>> for QGIS Ecuador.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Hans
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Tim Sutton <tim at kartoza.com>
>>>> *Sent:* 28 January 2022 01:11
>>>> *To:* Marco Bernasocchi
>>>> *Cc:* Andreas Neumann; Hans van der Kwast; Kurt Menke; QGIS PSC List
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Qgis-psc] Request about training certificates from
>>>> QGIS user group Ecuador
>>>>
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>>>> before clicking links/attachments.
>>>>
>>>> Hans - maybe you can clarify the rationale for not allowing user groups
>>>> to provide certificates?
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 9:28 AM Marco Bernasocchi <marco at qgis.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I also agree with Tim
>>>>>
>>>>> Marco Bernasocchi
>>>>>
>>>>> QGIS.org Chair
>>>>> OSGeo.org Board member
>>>>> OPENGIS.ch CEO
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2022, 14:47 Tim Sutton, <tim at kartoza.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Probably one for Kurt and Hans to chime in on. For me I don't see a
>>>>>> problem with this idea as long as all the normal criteria are met.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 9:50 AM Andreas Neumann <a.neumann at carto.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am forwarding the following request from the QGIS user group
>>>>>>> Ecuador (a new sustaining member from just recently):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Andreas, I have a query.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a group of users can we be part of the certification program?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I reviewed the certification process and registered our request,
>>>>>>> however, I received an email in which they mention that user groups cannot
>>>>>>> issue certificates.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have seen that there are user groups that are in the program and
>>>>>>> therefore register the request to our user group in the program and be able
>>>>>>> to contribute to the project.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll look forward for your answer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Adrian
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