[Qgis-user] wishing for accurate lattitude/longitude from, a cell phone

QGIS.USER qgis.user at raycar.plus.com
Wed May 27 06:11:26 PDT 2020


Hi Garth,
	Thank you for some very useful data. Mine own experience in archaeology fully supports your findings. Like most things in archaeology, money is scare, time is plentiful :-) So when you talk about getting sub-metre accuracy using something called "iGS3", my interest peaked :-) However, despite a reasonably thorough Google, nothing relevant turned up. What is a "iGS3" please?

Thanks in advance.

Ray Carpenter
Chapel Archaeology.      

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From: Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Garth Fletcher
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Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] wishing for accurate lattitude/longitude from, a cell phone

I gathered some field data using my Garmin eTrex 20.

It was placed in a fixed location in a small field and 17 readings were
taken (using Mark Waypoint) at various intervals between 11 AM and 10 PM
(EST).  The Garmin generally estimated the error band at 3 to 3.6 m. The
Garmin was receiving both US GPS and Russian GLONASS satellites, plus
WAIS (as indicated by a "D" in the Garmin's satellite signal bars).

The same location was accurately measured with a dual-freq iGS3 by
recording during the first ~ 6 hours and post-processing via CSRS-PPP
which resolved to a 95% probability error ellipse of 2.4 cm x 1.2 cm.

The CSRS report indicates that on average 10 to 11 satellites were being
tracked (range of 8 to 13).  The Garmin's display indicated a similar
number of satellites being tracked.

The Garmin waypoints were plotted on a 1 meter grid, along with the
precisely determined location. This plot can be downloaded from

<http://www.Mason-NH.org/Specials/GARMIN_TESTS.pdf>  (21 KB).

Worst case Garmin errors are > 6 m, close to twice the Garmin's
estimates - see above linked plot.

I am not convinced that averaging any couple such readings can do much
to increase the confidence level...

My conclusion is that if precision better than ± dozens of feet is
needed for a number of points (such as in an archeological dig), simple
hand-held instruments such as the Garmin (or cell phones) are not
suitable.

Using base/rover pairs, such as discussed earlier, is a much more
effective solution, albeit considerably more costly (~ 1500 USD). They
have the advantage of rapidly providing precise differential
measurements - which are what are all that is needed to map a site.

High position accuracy can be achieved with a single dual-frequency GNSS
receiver, such as the iGS3 I use, but at the cost of long duration
observations at each point.  In my experience an observation time of at
least 30 minutes is needed (in my wooded environment) to achieve ± 1
meter, and of 1 or more hours to achieve sub-meter accuracy in absolute
positional accuracy (as opposed to relative positional accuracy).
-- 
Garth Fletcher
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