[SAC] [OSGeo] #1793: Reqiest for FOSS4G-announce list
Guido Stein
guido at guidostein.com
Fri Sep 16 08:09:24 PDT 2016
Jeff,
I am with you and want the public forum which already exists, but as I
said... we need a place for people who want information from the LOC
without the conversation. Not everyone wants that kind of involvement in
the FOSS4G community.
Since your last email we have lost another subscriber, so that's 8 people
in 16 days from a list that was a little over 100. At this rate in 2 months
we will only have you and me on the list, so .. yes this is an issue.
And if volume of people leaving isn't enough, since your last email about
this we have lost another member who is from the city of Boston... so
that's one less person participating in the discussion who may be able to
spread the word and coordinate with us within an organization that holds a
lot of sway in the local community.
To be clear, I am asking for an announcement list, which there have been in
the past (look at the lists.osgeo.org). I am also trying to be helpful to
future events by making it a list for FOSS4G and not just Boston, which
solves the problem of sharing list of emails... instead we can share the
management of one list. I am not trying to get rid of the FOSS4G2017
community list.
I would really appreciate it if when you address us, the LOC, you recognize
that we are listening and doing all we can to facilitate the community. We
have not been terribly vocal yet because we have needed to respect our "on
deck" status and now we are preparing for the roll out of a new
informational site and sponsor prospectus. We have been working on this for
months and conference committee has given us the responsibility to run this
event as we see best.
> "I really wonder why i care so much about foss4g so much in advance each
year, trying so hard to help, on my own time with no agenda."
I care a lot about this event and community. I do not pretend to speak for
all the projects or chapters, but I invite everyone to share their ideas.
That is exactly why I have asked for this second list, because I don't want
people to walk away from this community because they didn't realize that
the list can become full of conversation when all they wanted was updates
about the event.
Guido Stein
Co-Chair
FOSS4G Boston 2017
On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 10:39 AM Jeff McKenna <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>
wrote:
> Since now this involved the entire SAC community, some more reference to
> the background/next steps i proposed for sending out messages
> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g2017/2016-September/000055.html
> however, i see the writing on the wall.
>
> will go back to grassroots.
>
> For the love and true spirit of FOSS4G,
>
> -jeff
>
>
> On 2016-09-16 11:29 AM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
> > Down 7 subscribers? I am an admin also, there is no issue. Because of
> > my messages trying to get the LOC to be more open, the engagement all of
> > a sudden and ideas flowing is wonderful - the last few days some amazing
> > ideas have been brought up by outsiders. Against my advice you created
> > a private google group for private loc discussions, fine, past LOC's
> > have done that, but now you also complain about the public 2017 list
> > after it starts to be used? It seems you are not used to open
> > discussions, at all. I get the impression that you want to close doors
> > totally. Your response is not even in the ticket, or to the 2017 list,
> > but to the whole sac community?
> >
> > I really wonder why i care so much about foss4g so much in advance each
> > year, trying so hard to help, on my own time with no agenda.
> >
> > Respectfully, have a nice weekend.
> >
> >
> > -jeff
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2016-09-16 11:09 AM, Guido Stein wrote:
> >> Jeff & SAC members,
> >>
> >> I respectfully disagree with Jeff.
> >>
> >> Since the beginning of the heightened traffic on the list in early sept,
> >> we have lost 7 subscribers and are now down to 94 participants on the
> >> list.We lost 7% of our list so far. Some of the people who have dropped
> >> off are local people we know and have been trying to recruit to
> >> participate in the event.
> >>
> >> We, the LOC, have been pointing people to the FOSS4G2017 list to get
> >> information about our conference. Since this list is becoming more of a
> >> forum and less announcnment oriented we feel it's time to open another
> >> list where people can get information from the LOC (similar to how there
> >> is an osgeo twitter account and a FOSS4G twitter account). I am all for
> >> an active community discussion list, but not at the expense of loosing
> >> people who are interested in event information, but not the conversation
> >> or other OSGEO announcements.
> >>
> >> I am happy to make sure our outbound messages go to as many channels as
> >> needed to that all OSGEO folks are aware of this, but we need our own
> >> channel with our, the LOC, message is broadcast.
> >>
> >> Thank you all for your time,
> >>
> >> Guido Stein
> >> Co-Chair
> >> FOSS4G Boston 2017
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 9:34 AM OSGeo <trac_osgeo at osgeo.org
> >> <mailto:trac_osgeo at osgeo.org>> wrote:
> >>
> >> #1793: Reqiest for FOSS4G-announce list
> >> ---------------------------+--------------------
> >> Reporter: gsteinmon | Owner: sac@…
> >> Type: defect | Status: new
> >> Priority: critical | Milestone:
> >> Component: Systems Admin | Resolution:
> >> Keywords: |
> >> ---------------------------+--------------------
> >>
> >> Comment (by jmckenna):
> >>
> >> I'm not sure the benefit of yet another announce list. A 'foss4g-
> >> announce' list is actually the OSGeo-discuss list. Have you
> >> considered
> >> sending all of your FOSS4G 2017 press releases directly to the
> >> OSGeo-
> >> Discuss list?
> >>
> >> For example, a typical workflow is:
> >>
> >> - use the public foss4g2017 mailing list for discussions
> >> - draft your press releases on the OSGeo wiki (see the many great
> >> examples of past press releases for FOSS4G 2009 at
> >> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2009_Press_Releases)
> >> - once you have the text and wiki ready, then send your press
> >> release to
> >> 'news_item (at) osgeo (dot) org' (that step is described at
> >> http://www.osgeo.org/content/news/submit_news.html). That news
> >> item will
> >> be magically posted to osgeo-announce/discuss (an no need of a
> >> separate
> >> announce list)
> >>
> >> Does that make sense?
> >>
> >> I'll also describe this to the foss4g2017 discussion list. As i
> >> said, it
> >> would be great to have more open discussions with the 2017
> marketing
> >> committee.
> >>
> >> -jeff
> >> President Emeritus, OSGeo
> >>
> >> --
> >> Ticket URL: <https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/1793#comment:1>
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