PSC Vote: Budget revision 2025

[Jody Garnett]

 I should probably grab a new discussion thread (sorry).

Here is an example from the marketing committee
<https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Committee_Budget_2025>, outlining a
goal and what part requires financing and what part we are dependent on
community in-kind input. It also outlines a task requiring collaboration
with the SAC committee.

For SAC moderation of discourse presently is done by volunteers. It is part
of the operating effort required to host the forums. Sometimes this can be
met with funding, sometimes it can be met with police (example requiring
project leads to volunteer as moderators).

Because OSGeo infrastructure is not generally visible it is hard to include
sponsors in these activities. It is worth stating that clearly in the
budget - that it is a choice SAC is making. Still if there are specific
initiatives (such as migrating to forums, or usability improvements) that
could benefit from sponsorship; and you have a way to recognize sponsors
over the course of the activity - make sure to ask for sponsorship.

Please share your ideas about recognizing in-kind contributions of
companies with the board, if you review recent meeting minuets
<https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2024-12-01#OSGeo_finances> ideas
on how to better resource OSGeo are being collected.

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Jody Garnett


On Jan 3, 2025 at 5:04:09 PM, Regina Obe <lr at pcorp.us> wrote:

> Jody,
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> Not following what you mean by these two.
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> Item 1: Items that can be used by board to limit scope?  How would we
> detail that exactly.
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> I think at a certain point you end up spending more time itemizing things,
> which takes time away from actually doing things.
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> Like I think all the SysAdmin stuff we itemized needs to be done
> eventually, sure we can keep pushing things down the road, but things will
> eventually blow up.
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> Sure we can not pay hosting fees to OSUOSL and sure they won’t kick us
> out, but I think that just makes us jerks.
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> Item 2: What are in-kind contributions from the SAC committee?  Is that
> like time volunteered that could be used as sponsorship instead of money?
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> e.g. if my company Paragon were to pay for my SAC time, would that
> constitute the equivalent of sponsorship and Paragon would be listed as a
> sponsor on osgeo.org site like other sponsors?
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> I actually like that idea and I think something we should do for others
> who do volunteer a lot of the their time to OSGeo and such time is
> under-appreciated, because we never put a price tag on those things.
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> I presume for the other “opportunities for participation”, you are
> thinking providing more detail as Json had mentioned of where he would
> serve best and how can we utilize his services?
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> That piece I honestly haven’t given much thought to.  I’d rather leave
> that to other people to decide for themselves, as many have e.g. you
> volunteered to administer discourse, website administration, and
> repo.osgeo.org and that has been helpful.
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> Jsanz does a lot of the mailing list stuff.
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> From my point of view, I’m more concerned with having 3 people who are
> familiar enough with our infra that they can backup each other. Building
> that level of trust takes time so I wouldn’t leave that up to casual
> volunteering.
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> That is ultimately not a nice to have, but a must have if we are to stay
> afloat.
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> Thanks,
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> Regina
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> *From:* Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 3, 2025 4:43 PM
> *To:* Sandro Santilli <strk at kbt.io>
> *Cc:* Regina Obe <lr at pcorp.us>; System Administration Committee
> Discussion/OSGeo <sac at lists.osgeo.org>
> *Subject:* Re: PSC Vote: Budget revision 2025
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> +0 for me
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> The budget succeeds in communicating expectations - but does not provide
> information to guide planning.
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>    - As an example line items that can be used by board to limit scope;
>    to understand what it is possible to give up to reduce costs. Or line items
>    that could be added to improve usability.
>    - The wiki page could do a better job of capturing in-kind
>    contributions of time from the SAC committee; or opportunities for
>    participation (if our service providers wish to volunteer in-kind or
>    financial support)
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> Jody Garnett
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> On Jan 3, 2025 at 7:01:51 AM, Sandro Santilli <strk at kbt.io> wrote:
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> +1 from me, thanks Regina. Happy 2025 everyone!
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> Il 19 dicembre 2024 21:18:49 CET, Regina Obe <lr at pcorp.us> ha scritto:
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> I've added one more line item to the SysAdmin budget -- contract to upgrade
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> MailMan and any unforeseen issues.
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> I figure  we should ask for it now so we don't have to request for it when
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> it's too late.  We will probably be turned down anyway.
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> I ask everyone to vote again and I will send to board for approval after.
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> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/SAC:Budget#2025
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> +1 from me
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> Sent from hand-held device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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