[OSGeo-Standards] [Board] glossary discussion on osgeo-standards ....
Rob Atkinson
ratkinson at ogc.org
Mon Nov 4 18:35:39 PST 2019
No I think I should be a contributor for the "how to" not a driver.
NB I'm preparing some docs for the OGC Definitions Server - would
appreciate some review and feedback to make it useful to folks like
yourselves..
Rob Atkinson <ratkinson at ogc.org <kstegemoller at ogc.org>>
Senior Research Engineer
Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC)
http://www.opengeospatial.org/
The OGC: Making location count.
On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 8:38 AM Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi Jorge,
> Here is another request to set up an email list. Hope you have some
> bandwidth to set up for us:
> https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/2377#ticket
>
> Rob, speak up if you would like your name added to the email list admin.
>
> On 5/11/19 7:24 am, Cameron Shorter wrote:
> > Thanks for the research Helena,
> >
> > It sounds like an OSGeo Special Interest Group will address our Lexicon
> > Committee requirements. Unless there are any objections, I propose to
> > push forward with our agenda of setting up an email list, building a
> > committee, selecting a chair, and getting some work done.
> >
> > If you have any objections, please respond ASAP, ideally within the next
> > 48 hours.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Further to Helena's research:
> >
> > * Yes, I'd suggest special interest groups should be listed on the
> website.
> >
> > * I found this page: https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Interest_Groups which
> > I'd suggest should be made official by the board. It currently states:
> > "This page documents the current dicsussion and has not yet been
> > approved as official OSGeo policy!"
> >
> > * The OSGeo Standards Committee should get a page somewhere. I'm pretty
> > sure it had one before, but I can't find it now.
> >
> > On 2/11/19 1:22 pm, Helena Mitasova wrote:
> >> I looked into this a little bit and I did not find any Standards
> >> committee here
> >> https://www.osgeo.org/about/committees/
> >> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Main_Page
> >> https://www.osgeo.org/about/board/
> >>
> >> But I found OSGeo Standards special interest group and associated
> >> mailing list:
> >>
> http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/Special-Interest-Groups-f5179645.html
> >> http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/OSGeo-Standards-f5012448.html
> >> Interestingly enough, I could not find the special interest groups on
> >> the new website - is it something that should be added there?
> >>
> >> I don’t think that board vote is needed to establish a special
> >> interest group and mailing list,
> >> But the board can voice support and endorsement - I would like to
> >> voice my support here if the special interest group is the way to go.
> >>
> >> Cameron, if you think that it would be better to have Lexicon as an
> >> official OSGeo committee (with everything that comes with it, see
> >> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Committee_Guidelines), then apparently,
> >> the board needs to vote to approve the committee chair
> >> according to the guidelines (which I believe are partially based on
> >> the bylaws).
> >>
> >> I hope this clarifies the process somewhat and cameron please let us
> >> know which way you would like to go,
> >>
> >> Thanks a lot for the initiative, Helena
> >>
> >>> On Nov 1, 2019, at 9:13 PM, Cameron Shorter
> >>> <cameron.shorter at gmail.com <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Astroidex, Kalxas, Delawen, Helena, OSGeo Board,
> >>>
> >>> Do my answers below address your questions re setting up an OSGeo
> >>> Lexicon committee?
> >>>
> >>> Within the next few weeks I'm hoping to reach out to those from the
> >>> OSGeo community who have provided glossaries and are likely to be
> >>> interested in joining a Lexicon committee. From that committee we can
> >>> elect a chair.
> >>>
> >>> I'm prefer to have the OSGeo Board's blessing before progressing
> >>> further. Is that something you'd be prepared to provide?
> >>>
> >>> Cheers, Cameron
> >>>
> >>> On 30/10/19 10:17 am, Cameron Shorter wrote:
> >>>> Hi Angelos, board,
> >>>> That is a good question. Working the lexicon community within the
> >>>> standards committee is something we should consider. While I
> >>>> wouldn't want to rule it out as an option, I'd vote -0 for it.
> >>>> My reasoning:
> >>>> * The lexicon committee is only focusing on one very narrow use case
> >>>> within the greater OSGeo/Standards space.
> >>>> * The standards committee has a very board focus across all
> >>>> standards related use cases. In particular, it has focused on
> >>>> managing the relationship between OSGeo and OGC.
> >>>> * The lexicon committee will be very noisy within this very specific
> >>>> lexicon use case. People interested in general standards will be
> >>>> swapped with emails and I predict we will very quickly kill off any
> >>>> other standards related conversations due to the noise.
> >>>> * The standards committee is relatively quiet, and it could be
> >>>> argued that we could consider retiring the standards committee and
> >>>> restart it as a lexicon committee. I don't think this is the case. I
> >>>> think the standards committee still has meaning and purpose.
> >>>>
> >>>> For these reasons, I believe the Lexicon and Standards committees
> >>>> should be kept separate.
> >>>>
> >>>> For my next steps, I'm hoping to follow this process:
> >>>> 1. Get endorsement from the board.
> >>>> 2. Create a new lexicon at lists.osgeo.org
> >>>> <mailto:lexicon at lists.osgeo.org> email list
> >>>> 3. Reach out to OSGeo projects and invite them to join the list and
> >>>> participate in a committee
> >>>> 4. Boostrap a lexicon committee
> >>>> 5. Committee members to vote for a committee chair
> >>>> 6. Start getting serious about the work we are doing.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm hoping that the board can discuss via email, ask questions which
> >>>> I'll answer, then we can set up a motion and help us move through
> >>>> the steps above.
> >>>>
> >>>> Warm regards, Cameron
> >>>>
> >>>> For reference, I've copied comments from the board meeting:
> >>>> http://irclogs.geoapt.com/osgeo/%23osgeo.2019-10-28.log
> >>>>
> >>>> 16:22:49 helena_: #7 Lexicon committee
> >>>> 16:23:13 helena_: they keep changing the name but it is an
> >>>> important initiative
> >>>> 16:23:37 astroidex: just a question. Could it be part of one
> >>>> existing committee?
> >>>> 16:23:47 delawen: (I'm back did I miss any voting?)
> >>>> 16:23:50 kalxas: I am wondering why this has to be a
> separate
> >>>> committee from standards
> >>>> 16:24:03 astroidex: same for me
> >>>> 16:24:06 kalxas: delawen, no :)
> >>>> 16:24:19 astroidex: it could be part of education
> >>>> 16:24:38 delawen: if they feel they have enough work to be
> >>>> isolated... see no reason why not
> >>>> 16:24:43 astroidex: https://www.osgeo.org/about/committees/
> >>>> 16:24:44 sigq: Title: Committees - OSGeo (at www.osgeo.org
> >>>> <http://www.osgeo.org/>)
> >>>> 16:24:44 kalxas: given that OGC and ISO are involved, I
> think it
> >>>> should be standards
> >>>> 16:24:53 delawen: but I would give them some time to do
> stuff
> >>>> before making them official
> >>>> 16:25:41 delawen: If you think it should be standards, we
> can
> >>>> answer them that
> >>>> 16:25:41 kalxas: also, we do need a chair to approve them,
> right?
> >>>> 16:26:00 helena_: Angelos - can you please get bcak to
> Cameron
> >>>> with suggestion from the board to make it part of standards?
> >>>> 16:26:25 astroidex: good idea
> >>>> 16:26:44 kalxas: yes, I can follow up
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 at 02:30, Angelos Tzotsos <gcpp.kalxas at gmail.com
> >>>> <mailto:gcpp.kalxas at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Cameron,
> >>>>
> >>>> The formation of the lexicon committee was discussed during the
> >>>> board
> >>>> meeting yesterday.
> >>>> One question that came up is: what is the reason this work
> >>>> cannot be
> >>>> done under the standards committee, since this involves members
> >>>> from
> >>>> OSGeo, OGC and ISO?
>
> --
> Cameron Shorter
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> Open Technologies and Geospatial Consultant
>
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