[ZOO-Discuss] ZOO Debian Package

Daniel Kastl daniel at georepublic.de
Tue Sep 21 15:25:36 PDT 2010 

Hi Alessandro and others,

I think that splitting ZOO into multiple packages must make sense for a
user, for example when someone only wants to install the basics on a
production server.

But it should be already clear from the configure - make - install process.
So if you build several packages "zoo-kernel", "zoo-services" and "zoo-api"
for example and you have to write custom scripts to pick one part from here
and one from there, this wouldn't be a good idea IMO.
So if ZOO-Project is already designed that it wants to make certain parts
optional (or will do in the future), then it makes sense to split packages,
otherwise not.

Daniel

PS: I would prefer some anming like zoo-<name>-x.x.x if this is not against
some naming convention



2010/9/21 Alessandro Frigeri <alessandro.frigeri at gmail.com>

> Hi,
>
> thanks for all the suggestions.   Yesterday I've worked at a simple
> version of the package that will carry zoo_loader.cgi in the cgi-bin
> dir and main.cfg in the examples directory, plus all the standard
> debian files.   The good thing is that the packaging build process
> seems to work quite well, and that's good for porting it to different
> architectures.
>
> For the name of the package, from the discussion it seems that we have
> to chose from two options:
>
> zoowps-x.x.x  - this is the case if zoo will always talk 'wps'
>
> zookernel-x.x.x  - if 'wps' is just one of the 'languages' zoo will
> talk with clients in future (as I understood from Venka's message),
> and the 'kernel' is to be considered the engine where to attach
> services communicating with 'languages' other than wps (are there
> other ones around yet?).
>
> Regarding the future addons, debian/ubunt provides the
> "packagename-extras" naming scheme option that fits well with our case
> for extra backends.
>
> I don't want to be too pedant on this, since it is only a name, but
> choosing a good package name will save time later on.
>
> Alessandro
>
>
> 2010/9/21 Venkatesh Raghavan <raghavan at media.osaka-cu.ac.jp>:
> > Someday ZOO could hopefully be more than WPS
> > only.
> >
> > My suggestion would be to name the package as
> > zoo-kernel with subsequent release zoo-services
> > and zoo-api.
> >
> > Since multi-language support is one of the
> > main features of the ZOO-Kernel, the present release
> > (ZOO-Kernel-1.0.1) could C/C++, Fortran and Python
> > support. Future stable release (ZOO-Kernel-1.2.X) could
> > include support for javascript and other newly
> > supported languages.
> >
> > ZOO-Services and ZOO-API could be released as independent
> > packages.
> >
> > Also a possibility of releasing ZOO-Bundle (which includes
> > ZOO-Kernel, ZOO-Services and ZOO-API) in the future.
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Venka
> >
> > On 2010/09/20 22:15, Gérald Fenoy wrote:
> >> Hi Daniel, yes you're right, maybe better to keep WPS in the package
> >> name.
> >>
> >> I agree also that the zoo-service and zoo-api can be installed as
> >> independent packages. But if we use it this way, then how can we
> >> provide the ZOO Kernel ? I mean that the compilation process of the
> >> ZOO Kernel imply that each requested Languages support have to be
> >> compiled at the same time. Or do we need to plan to provide multiple
> >> "zoo-wps" packages for each support ? I mean something like :
> >> zoo-wps-std for ZOO Kernel with C/C++, Fortran and Python support,
> >> then zoo-wps-javascript for another one including the later and with
> >> the javascript addition and so on ?
> >>
> >> I don't know how to do this in an efficient way.
> >>
> >> Let me know what you think, Regards,
> >>
> >> Le 20 sept. 2010 à 14:39, Daniel Kastl a écrit :
> >>
> >>> Hi Gerald,
> >>>
> >>> Is ZOO-Project going to be more than WPS? Alessandro's proposal
> >>> idea to call it "zoo-wps" isn't bad IMO. Another idea would be - in
> >>> case ZOO Services and API could be installed extra - to split them
> >>> in packages like "zoo-kernel", "zoo-services", "zoo-api" with being
> >>> "zoo-kernel" required for others.
> >>>
> >>> Well, shouldn't become to complicated on the other hand.
> >>>
> >>> Daniel
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2010/9/20 Gérald Fenoy<gerald.fenoy at geolabs.fr> Hi Alessandro, nice
> >>> to hear  from you.
> >>>
> >>> I think it can be better to use ZOO-Project, if this is acceptable
> >>> in Debian packaging name. If not then maybe you can use
> >>> zoo-project.
> >>>
> >>> We will create a branch and tag officially in some days, we need to
> >>> finalize the Perl support integration first. It was currently
> >>> tested by David Saggiorato on his own (some part was already
> >>> integrated in the SVN source tree). We also need to add a ZOO
> >>> Service Provider which will access some shared memory to get
> >>> information on the current status of a process. I think that those
> >>> two enhancement can be finalized really soon and then we can tag as
> >>> 1.0.1 version. Other plan for the 2.0 version will start next week,
> >>> it will include the modification of service functions signature,
> >>> the main reason for creating a new version.
> >>>
> >>> Please use the SVN source tree and not the archive 1.0 you talked
> >>> about, indeed we have to provide the new version of the archive
> >>> soon for the new version present in SVN.
> >>>
> >>> If you need the branch quickly please let me know, we will create
> >>> it faster than we planned to do.
> >>>
> >>> Hope to hear from you, best regards,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Le 20 sept. 2010 à 13:22, Alessandro Frigeri a écrit :
> >>>
> >>>> Hei Nick, Venka + zooers,
> >>>>
> >>>> thanks for the details.  Sorry, I've missed the 1.0 was there
> >>>> already there,
> >>>> http://www.zoo-project.org/dl/ZOO-Kernel-1.0.tar.bz2, i'll submit
> >>>> un update to our request to debian.
> >>>>
> >>>> Also, I've found there is already a package named "zoo", to
> >>>> manipulate zoo archives.  So we can go with with "zoowps"
> >>>> "zoo-wps" or whatever is good to differentiate from the other
> >>>> package.  Suggestions are welcome so we can start up in good
> >>>> shape with debian and the ubuntu packages.
> >>>>
> >>>> For the version scheme, it seems ok to me.  Nick, let's
> >>>> experiment an svn copy trunk to some 1.0.x tag.
> >>>>
> >>>> Alessandro
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 2010/9/20 Venkatesh Raghavan<raghavan at media.osaka-cu.ac.jp>:
> >>>>> Hi Alessandro,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for the follow-up at debian/ubuntu miniconf regarding
> >>>>> ZOO
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think ZOO could follow the similar scheme as GRASS GIS as
> >>>>> below;
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Version number scheme:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> * first number: major release number * secondary number: minor
> >>>>> release number (stable/development indicator) * third number:
> >>>>> revision
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Scheme for ZOO-Kernel 1.0.1 which is presently available would
> >>>>> be as follows
> >>>>>
> >>>>> a) 1 being the major release number b) 0 being the minor
> >>>>> release number c) 1 being the revision
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any suggestions from others?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Venka
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 2010/09/20 6:00, nicolas bozon wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi Alessandro,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks for the request to Debian ! ZOO Kernel was released on
> >>>>>> April 2010 under 1.0 version. We are now under the 1.0.1
> >>>>>> since last week, as the svn was updated with new version by
> >>>>>> gerald I think we still have to improve the branching, you're
> >>>>>> right. Best,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Nick
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2010/9/19 Alessandro Frigeri<afrigeri at unipg.it>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi zooers,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The debian/ubuntu mini conf was very fruitful - nice ideas
> >>>>>>> and nice people.  For zoo, I've placed a request on
> >>>>>>> debian:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=597445
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Are you guys going to tag a release (e.g. 1.0 or whatever
> >>>>>>> call a major/minor version)?  It will be a lot easier to
> >>>>>>> refer the package to a tagged version (and produce package
> >>>>>>> files accordingly).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ciao!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Alessandro
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2010/9/17 Venkatesh
> >>>>>>> Raghavan<raghavan at media.osaka-cu.ac.jp>:
> >>>>>>>> Hi Alessandro,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Was great meeting you in Barcelona. Gerald, David and
> >>>>>>>> Yoshida have trying to make the Debian package from
> >>>>>>>> ZOO-Kernel.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Maybe you can help us. Also, please consider joining the
> >>>>>>>> ZOO-Discuss ML.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Venka
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -- Alessandro Frigeri, PhD
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Alessandro Frigeri, PhD
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> >>> Gérald Fenoy ZOO PSC Chair gerald.fenoy at geolabs.fr
> >>>
> >>>
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> >> Gérald Fenoy gerald.fenoy at geolabs.fr
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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