[Board] Responding to emails

Fri May 8 13:09:25 PDT 2015

As you write, Michael

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čt 7. 5. 2015 v 13:43 odesílatel Michael Smith <michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>
napsal:

> OK, Jeff, you've convinced me to respond.
>
> I generally follow the "Bart model". I will respond when I think I have
> something useful to add but not just if I'm in general agreement.
>
> I do strongly support Jeff's position that requests need to be public and
> not just private emails to the president. And I agree that its not always
> clear that some emails are requests for the board to "do something" as
> opposed to just keeping the board informed on activity.
>
> I do support the Open Letter but, like Jeff, would have preferred it not
> target a specific company but instead focus on the benefits on keeping a
> format open. I think the recent Geo-Hipster interview
> (
> http://geohipster.com/2015/05/04/martin-isenburg-may-the-foss-be-with-laz/
> ) highlighted something that wasn't in the open letter, namely the use of
> a format in the browser environment, eg, laz-perf, an javascript port of
> the laz format
> (http://groups.google.com/d/topic/lastools/BBQq2y1Ex8A/discussion) . This
> isn't something that can be done in a closed format and really highlights
> the differences quickly.
>
> Mike
>
> ----
> Michael Smith
> OSGeo Foundation Treasurer
> treasurer at osgeo.org
>
>
>
>
> On 5/7/15, 7:30 AM, "Jeff McKenna" <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com> wrote:
>
> >Regarding the comments that some OSGeo Board members purposely remain
> >quiet: I'd remind all Board members to join discussions, share their
> >opinions, even if it is a quick "+1" on a discussion.  We've all been
> >voted here in this role to represent the community (or, think of a Board
> >discussion as a ticket, an issue in Github {wait is that the future of
> >the Board? it sure could be useful, if Board members prefer to tackle
> >issues that way, and track them}.   Thanks for keeping this in mind
> >everyone,
> >
> >-jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On 2015-05-06 10:10 AM, Daniel Morissette wrote:
> >> Thank you for the clarification Bart. It sounds like we are both
> >> thinking the same way then.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Daniel
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2015-05-06 8:35 AM, Bart van den Eijnden wrote:
> >>> Hey Daniel,
> >>>
> >>> I was not in any way saying that Cameron has not done most of these
> >>> already. Just wanted to briefly outline how I handle traffic on the
> >>> e-mail list.
> >>>
> >>> Personally I don¹t feel that clear e-mails are disrespectful in any
> >>> way, I¹d rather have people be clear on what they expect of us and
> >>> when. But that¹s my 2 cents.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Bart
> >>>
> >>>> On 06 May 2015, at 14:22, Daniel Morissette
> >>>> <dmorissette at mapgears.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Bart,
> >>>>
> >>>> While I fully agree with your recommendations in general, I don't
> >>>> think anyone can blame Cameron of not being clear in his
> >>>> communications. IMHO those recommendations were already applied in
> >>>> his emails and I don't think he can be much more explicit than he has
> >>>> been.
> >>>>
> >>>> Don't you think that if one adds even more explicit deadlines and
> >>>> action requests as you suggest then it will just increase the risk of
> >>>> being perceived as "disrespectful" of board volunteers time, to reuse
> >>>> the exact word that was used in this thread already?
> >>>>
> >>>> Daniel
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2015-05-06 7:08 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
> >>>>> Thanks Bart, wise advise as always.
> >>>>> Cheers, Cameron.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 6/05/2015 4:40 pm, Bart van den Eijnden wrote:
> >>>>>> Hey Cameron,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> my suggestions would be:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 1) make it really clear what your deadline is for responses (maybe
> >>>>>> also use e-mail priority or something very visible in the subject in
> >>>>>> case of urgency)
> >>>>>> 2) make it clear if you need the board to vote on something (you can
> >>>>>> ask one of us to raise a motion) or you just need an opinion /
> >>>>>> opinions
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In the case of opinions, I normally don¹t respond to something a
> >>>>>> previous board member has said if I¹m in general consent. If I
> >>>>>> disagree or have other points, I¹ll chime in, but otherwise I¹ll be
> >>>>>> silent.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>> Bart
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 05 May 2015, at 22:43, Cameron Shorter
> >>>>>>><cameron.shorter at gmail.com
> >>>>>>> <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jeff, OSGeo Board,
> >>>>>>> I'm finding it difficult to engage effectively with the OSGeo Board
> >>>>>>> in a timely manner and am looking for suggestions on how to
> >>>>>>> improve that.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Is the OSGeo-Board email list still the best forum to discuss
> >>>>>>>ideas?
> >>>>>>> Would it be easier if I wrote more concisely, and less often? (Try
> >>>>>>>to
> >>>>>>> increase signal-to-noise ratio)?
> >>>>>>> Maybe limit to specific proposals: "I propose the OSGeo board
> >>>>>>>support
> >>>>>>> ..."?
> >>>>>>> Maybe not ask as much of the OSGeo Board?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm asking following on from discussion about the Open LIDAR
> >>>>>>>Letter,
> >>>>>>> which had significant discussion, across a number of email lists,
> >>>>>>>as
> >>>>>>> well as private discussions. I'm hoping we can learn and improve.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Next, I'm hoping we can finalise an OSGeo Code of Conduct /
> >>>>>>>Diversity
> >>>>>>> Statement, and am interested to know whether board members want to
> >>>>>>>be
> >>>>>>> involved in this? I'm hoping that there is still sufficient energy
> >>>>>>>to
> >>>>>>> take this through to completion.
> >>>>>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Diversity
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 5/05/2015 9:57 am, Cameron Shorter wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Hi Jeff, as per below, I note that you prefer to discuss emails in
> >>>>>>>> public. I'm cool with that.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> In this case, I emailed yourself, CC public board list. I followed
> >>>>>>>> up with a private reminder email as I thought you might have
> >>>>>>>> forgotten the email, or lost it in an email folder somewhere. (I
> >>>>>>>> note you are usually more responsive).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks for responding with your thoughts. It helps to understand
> >>>>>>>> where you are coming from rather than guessing to know if you have
> >>>>>>>> received the email or not.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Regards, Cameron
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 5/05/2015 8:36 AM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> As you already know (from now years of seeing me in this
> >>>>>>>>>position),
> >>>>>>>>> I don't send official e-mails on behalf of the entire OSGeo
> >>>>>>>>> foundation because of some offlist pings; I request that we
> >>>>>>>>>discuss
> >>>>>>>>> next steps (if any?) for the Board, or that you made a request to
> >>>>>>>>> the OSGeo Board for next steps, and we can discuss openly.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -jeff
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 2015-04-28 5:56 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Jeff,
> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for adding the cover letter to the LiDAR Open Letter.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The second part of this motion was for the OSGeo President to
> >>>>>>>>>> email the
> >>>>>>>>>> letter to the OGC, ESRI and ASPRS. (Suggested email addresses
> >>>>>>>>>>are
> >>>>>>>>>> toward
> >>>>>>>>>> the bottom of this email thread).
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Would you mind CCing a public archived email list (probably the
> >>>>>>>>>> board
> >>>>>>>>>> list) so that we have an official record of the Open Letter
> >>>>>>>>>>being
> >>>>>>>>>> delivered. (Alternatively, you can forward, or notify the list
> >>>>>>>>>> instead).
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Hopefully any response you receive will also be sent to the
> >>>>>>>>>>public
> >>>>>>>>>> list.
> >>>>>>>>>> If not, can you please ask if you can share the response
> >>>>>>>>>>publicly.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>>> Cameron
> >>>>>>>> --
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