[OSGeo-Discuss] Discussion on statement : avoiding slang. Was: Drafting a Diversity statement for the foundation (call for input)

Tue Mar 31 15:22:54 PDT 2015

Thanks for the comments so far. I've refined the Draft CoC to try and 
capture suggestions:

/We are regularly debating and refining ideas. We don't always agree. 
When we disagree it is important that we treat each other with respect 
as people. Note that we have a multi-cultural, multi-lingual community 
and some of us are non-native speakers./[1]

Johan Van de Wauw, has also recommended considering the Debian Code of 
Conduct [2], which has some good text, and I've added the Geek Feminism 
Anti Harassment Policy (referenced from the Debian CoC).

With so many variants on the CoC/Diversity Statement, it would be great 
if a international standard could be created, such as done for Open 
Source Licenses.

[1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Diversity#Draft_OSGeo_Code_of_Conduct
[2] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Diversity#Debian_Code_of_Conduct
[3] 
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Diversity#Geek_Feminism_Template_Anti_Harassment_Policy

On 31/03/2015 5:40 pm, Maria Antonia Brovelli wrote:
>
> Yes, I agree. Diversity also refers to language. We have to start 
> reason on that as a richness and not as a barrier. I like to have this 
> item in the CoC.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Best.
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> Maria
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> *Inviato:* martedì 31 marzo 2015 08.33
> *A:* Andrea Aime; Cameron Shorter
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> *Oggetto:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Discussion on statement : avoiding 
> slang. Was: Drafting a Diversity statement for the foundation (call 
> for input)
>
> Hi,
>
> My experience within OSGeo was positive so far. At FOSS4G, sometimes 
> people forget, that half of the crowd speaks English only 
> occasionally, which can lead to misunderstandings.
>
> Anyway: I would like to point out, that it is not only matter of 
> writing, but also talking (at foss4gs, sprints, ...) In public but 
> also in private, what can be even harder than writing (you can not 
> take your time to figure out the best way how to express, what you need).
>
> And yes, having something like that in CoC would be nice.
>
>
> J
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> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015, 22:00 Andrea Aime <andrea.aime at geo-solutions.it 
> <mailto:andrea.aime at geo-solutions.it>> wrote:
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>     On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Cameron Shorter
>     <cameron.shorter at gmail.com <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         Thanks all for the feedback.
>         So my question is:
>         1. Should our Code of Conduct/Diversity statement mention that
>         we have a multilingual community?
>
>     I believe it's still a good idea.
>
>
>         2. What should we recommend that all, and especially native
>         speakers do to make our community welcoming to non-native
>         speakers?
>
>     I'd suggest, just a reminder that the level of written English can
>     vary a lot, ranging from cases where the lack of fluency is
>
>     evident, to cases where the sentence seems just too direct/rude,
>     so generally speaking, it's a good idea to try and be patient
>
>     and understanding.
>
>     Sometimes I wish there was a guide of typical
>     expectations/orientations varying culture by culture, to try
>
>     and understand better where people are coming from and put what
>     they say in context (this example
>
>      might be wrong or just a silly generalizations, but just to give
>     you an idea, I've heard
>
>     Japanese normally won't say no in a conversation, you have to
>     figure it out, and other cultures surely
>
>     have their "surprising" traits as well).
>
>     Cheers
>
>     Andrea
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