[OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

Thu Dec 28 10:14:59 PST 2023

Reading online it appears there is:

1. A mailing list mode so notifications are sent out each time a post is
made (this is a user preference)

2. A reply via email mode

So experimentation is needed.

Reference:
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https://meta.discourse.org/t/what-is-mailing-list-mode/46008/8
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https://meta.discourse.org/t/set-up-reply-by-email-with-pop3-polling/14003

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Jody Garnett

On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 10:09 AM Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I think we need someone who understand how discourse works to make an
> informed decision.
>
> If the forum fills up with questions; and the developers are minding the
> email list - it will not work out so well :) At least as described.
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 6:58 AM Vicky Vergara <vicky at erosion.dev> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 11:43 AM Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Q: So if a mailing list is mirrored to discourse it operates similar to
>>> nabble used to? Is searchable etc …
>>>
>>> I don't know the details of how discourse works,
>>
>>
>>> But replies done via discourse are not sent to mailing list subscribers
>>> - so it is one way communication.
>>>
>> https://meta.discourse.org/t/create-a-read-only-mailing-list-mirror/77990
>>
>>
>>> And the thinking here is that discourse is easier for people who want to
>>> ask a specific question without subscribing to a mailing list (and getting
>>> yet more email).
>>>
>> Yes, so you can have the mirror in one category and another catergory for
>> Q&A
>>
>>> --
>>> Jody Garnett
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 9:07 AM Vicky Vergara <vicky at erosion.dev> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Jody
>>>>
>>>> We are offering options
>>>>
>>>> Before:
>>>> Use mailing list
>>>>
>>>> After:
>>>> * Use mailing list and see the archives only on
>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/
>>>> * Use mailing list and see the archives also on discourse
>>>> * Use discourse without a mailing list
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This are the possibilities regarding migration of mailing list
>>>> * Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse example [1]
>>>> (Use discourse without a mailing list, but get previous conversations from
>>>> mailing list)
>>>> * Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse example [2] (Use mailing
>>>> list and see the archives also on discourse)
>>>> * Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list example [3]
>>>> was created by Jody (Use discourse without a mailing list)
>>>> * Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list example [4] (Use
>>>> mailing list and see the archives only on https://lists.osgeo.org/)
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5
>>>> [2] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13
>>>> [3]
>>>> https://discourse.osgeo.org/t/about-the-osgeo-site-feedback-category/1
>>>> [4] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g2008loc/
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Vicky
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 10:16 AM Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was lurking in the sys admin chat as I was working on the osgeo sign
>>>>> up form. Mailing lists are not going away, but I am unclear at what is
>>>>> being offered.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 8:01 AM Eli Adam <eadam at co.lincoln.or.us>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm also unclear on what is going on.  It looks like discourse
>>>>>> options are being added.  This raises questions about mailing lists.  1.
>>>>>> Are mailing lists going away?  2. Can projects choose to keep just the
>>>>>> mailing list and not add dicourse?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, Eli
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> *From:* Discuss <discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> on behalf of Vicky
>>>>>> Vergara via Discuss <discuss at lists.osgeo.org>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 26, 2023 9:52 PM
>>>>>> *To:* OSGeo Discussions <discuss at lists.osgeo.org>
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jody,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 9:31 PM Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vicky,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there any more information on what is being offered here?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have not used discourse very much. What do you mean by having a
>>>>>> category Can you be more clear about migrate and mirror.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Category, is like the one you created about the discourse site
>>>>>> feedback.
>>>>>> Mirror, is a category that mirrors the mailing list, so the mails
>>>>>> received on the mailing list are also shown on discourse.
>>>>>> If you "reply" to those mails using discourse, they will not be shown
>>>>>> on the mailing list, as the mirror does not send mails to the mailing list.
>>>>>> The reply that will be shown is the one done using mail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will the existing list of email subscribers be part of migrating a
>>>>>> mailing list
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When migrating subscribers are also migrated and are "staged users",
>>>>>> and they can log in using ldap, or github account.
>>>>>> If the mail of their log in matches, the staged users get assigned to
>>>>>> the person that logged in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Vicky
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 1:07 PM Vicky Vergara via Discuss <
>>>>>> discuss at lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello all
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are ready to migrate mailing lists to discourse,
>>>>>> * Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse
>>>>>> * Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse
>>>>>> * Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list
>>>>>> * Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A comprehensive list of mailing lists can be found here (not
>>>>>> including private mailing lists):
>>>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You need to open a ticket to have the work done.
>>>>>> Follow the ticket examples below for the first 3 cases
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Vicky Vergara
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Example: Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3064 (has link to ticket
>>>>>> 3063)
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> Comment in Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3063
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Created the following discourse category
>>>>>> https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5
>>>>>> And the archives of the mailing list will not be removed:
>>>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-fr-user/
>>>>>> Migration has finished so any new message to the list will not be
>>>>>> received on discourse, but the list will be disabled for before the end of
>>>>>> january.
>>>>>> Mail on discourse: qgis-fr-user/@discourse.osgeo.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Example: Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse
>>>>>> Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3062
>>>>>> Created the following discourse category
>>>>>> https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13
>>>>>> The mailing list will not be removed, and it is a mirror to the
>>>>>> mailing list
>>>>>> emails continue to be sent to sac at lists.osgeo.org
>>>>>> Replies can be done
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://discourse.osgeo.org/t/re-osgeo-3062-import-sac-mailing-list-to-discourse/4747/2?u=cvvergara
>>>>>> But they will no be reflected on the mailing list
>>>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/sac/2023-December/thread.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Example: of category without mailing list
>>>>>> Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3066
>>>>>> https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/osgeolive/osgeolive-docs/8
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Discuss mailing list
>>>>>> Discuss at lists.osgeo.org
>>>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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