[OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

Thu Dec 28 10:09:03 PST 2023

I think we need someone who understand how discourse works to make an
informed decision.

If the forum fills up with questions; and the developers are minding the
email list - it will not work out so well :) At least as described.
--
Jody Garnett

On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 6:58 AM Vicky Vergara <vicky at erosion.dev> wrote:

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> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 11:43 AM Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> Q: So if a mailing list is mirrored to discourse it operates similar to
>> nabble used to? Is searchable etc …
>>
>> I don't know the details of how discourse works,
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>> But replies done via discourse are not sent to mailing list subscribers -
>> so it is one way communication.
>>
> https://meta.discourse.org/t/create-a-read-only-mailing-list-mirror/77990
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>
>> And the thinking here is that discourse is easier for people who want to
>> ask a specific question without subscribing to a mailing list (and getting
>> yet more email).
>>
> Yes, so you can have the mirror in one category and another catergory for
> Q&A
>
>> --
>> Jody Garnett
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 9:07 AM Vicky Vergara <vicky at erosion.dev> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jody
>>>
>>> We are offering options
>>>
>>> Before:
>>> Use mailing list
>>>
>>> After:
>>> * Use mailing list and see the archives only on https://lists.osgeo.org/
>>> * Use mailing list and see the archives also on discourse
>>> * Use discourse without a mailing list
>>>
>>>
>>> This are the possibilities regarding migration of mailing list
>>> * Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse example [1]
>>> (Use discourse without a mailing list, but get previous conversations from
>>> mailing list)
>>> * Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse example [2] (Use mailing
>>> list and see the archives also on discourse)
>>> * Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list example [3]
>>> was created by Jody (Use discourse without a mailing list)
>>> * Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list example [4] (Use mailing
>>> list and see the archives only on https://lists.osgeo.org/)
>>>
>>> [1] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5
>>> [2] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13
>>> [3]
>>> https://discourse.osgeo.org/t/about-the-osgeo-site-feedback-category/1
>>> [4] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g2008loc/
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Vicky
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 10:16 AM Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was lurking in the sys admin chat as I was working on the osgeo sign
>>>> up form. Mailing lists are not going away, but I am unclear at what is
>>>> being offered.
>>>> --
>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 8:01 AM Eli Adam <eadam at co.lincoln.or.us>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm also unclear on what is going on.  It looks like discourse options
>>>>> are being added.  This raises questions about mailing lists.  1. Are
>>>>> mailing lists going away?  2. Can projects choose to keep just the mailing
>>>>> list and not add dicourse?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Eli
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> *From:* Discuss <discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> on behalf of Vicky
>>>>> Vergara via Discuss <discuss at lists.osgeo.org>
>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 26, 2023 9:52 PM
>>>>> *To:* OSGeo Discussions <discuss at lists.osgeo.org>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jody,
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 9:31 PM Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Vicky,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there any more information on what is being offered here?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have not used discourse very much. What do you mean by having a
>>>>> category Can you be more clear about migrate and mirror.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Category, is like the one you created about the discourse site
>>>>> feedback.
>>>>> Mirror, is a category that mirrors the mailing list, so the mails
>>>>> received on the mailing list are also shown on discourse.
>>>>> If you "reply" to those mails using discourse, they will not be shown
>>>>> on the mailing list, as the mirror does not send mails to the mailing list.
>>>>> The reply that will be shown is the one done using mail.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Will the existing list of email subscribers be part of migrating a
>>>>> mailing list
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> When migrating subscribers are also migrated and are "staged users",
>>>>> and they can log in using ldap, or github account.
>>>>> If the mail of their log in matches, the staged users get assigned to
>>>>> the person that logged in.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Vicky
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 1:07 PM Vicky Vergara via Discuss <
>>>>> discuss at lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello all
>>>>>
>>>>> We are ready to migrate mailing lists to discourse,
>>>>> * Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse
>>>>> * Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse
>>>>> * Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list
>>>>> * Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list
>>>>>
>>>>> A comprehensive list of mailing lists can be found here (not including
>>>>> private mailing lists):
>>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo
>>>>>
>>>>> You need to open a ticket to have the work done.
>>>>> Follow the ticket examples below for the first 3 cases
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Vicky Vergara
>>>>>
>>>>> Example: Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3064 (has link to ticket
>>>>> 3063)
>>>>> +
>>>>> Comment in Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3063
>>>>>
>>>>> Created the following discourse category
>>>>> https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5
>>>>> And the archives of the mailing list will not be removed:
>>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-fr-user/
>>>>> Migration has finished so any new message to the list will not be
>>>>> received on discourse, but the list will be disabled for before the end of
>>>>> january.
>>>>> Mail on discourse: qgis-fr-user/@discourse.osgeo.org
>>>>>
>>>>> Example: Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse
>>>>> Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3062
>>>>> Created the following discourse category
>>>>> https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13
>>>>> The mailing list will not be removed, and it is a mirror to the
>>>>> mailing list
>>>>> emails continue to be sent to sac at lists.osgeo.org
>>>>> Replies can be done
>>>>>
>>>>> https://discourse.osgeo.org/t/re-osgeo-3062-import-sac-mailing-list-to-discourse/4747/2?u=cvvergara
>>>>> But they will no be reflected on the mailing list
>>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/sac/2023-December/thread.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Example: of category without mailing list
>>>>> Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3066
>>>>> https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/osgeolive/osgeolive-docs/8
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Discuss mailing list
>>>>> Discuss at lists.osgeo.org
>>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>>>
>>>>>
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