[OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

Fri Dec 29 07:38:30 PST 2023

Vicky is just the messenger, and may of caused some confusion when
describing a new service the system admin committee has brought online.
There no move planned; just some new software has just been installed and
is available for any groups wishing to make use of discourse.

Folks have requested a forum for a while now - part of lowering the barrier
of entry for a new generation etc…
I hope the groups that have been waiting for this could help explain to the
discussion list.

I am afraid I am just unfamiliar with this particular forum software which
is why I have been asking questions.
--
Jody Garnett

On Dec 29, 2023 at 3:43:03 AM, Cannata Massimiliano via Discuss <
discuss at lists.osgeo.org> wrote:

> Dear all,
> My 2cents...
>
> Discourse seems an appealing solution for query and answer but I agree
> with Bruce that before we move we should have a nice open discussion, since
> it's not gonna be the magic stick...
> I've seen the platform used at some universities and seeing last post
> dated one year ago didn't attract people to use it..
>
> I also believe we have a low engagement rate in the latest year and deep
> open reflections should be done in my opinion to revamp it... Since our
> community have been highly relevant and has more to say in my opinion..
>
>
> Il 28 dic 2023 23:53, Bruce Bannerman via Discuss <discuss at lists.osgeo.org>
> ha scritto:
>
> Apart from these few emails telling me that a move to something called
> Discourse is happening, I have not seen any discussion on our lists
> explaining the pros and cons of such a move.
>
> I find this lack of community engagement on this issue to be troubling.
>
> This does not seem to be a very open source community way of making such a
> significant move.
>
> Personally, what we have now has been working nicely for me for close on
> 20 years.
>
> The lists have been very quiet for quite a while now, but that is a
> community engagement issue. It is not something that technology will
> magically fix.
>
> It seems to me that we have a case of the tail wagging the dog.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Bruce
>
>
> On 29 Dec 2023, at 05:15, Jody Garnett via Discuss <
> discuss at lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
>
> 
> Reading online it appears there is:
>
> 1. A mailing list mode so notifications are sent out each time a post is
> made (this is a user preference)
>
> 2. A reply via email mode
>
> So experimentation is needed.
>
> Reference:
> -
> https://meta.discourse.org/t/what-is-mailing-list-mode/46008/8
> -
> https://meta.discourse.org/t/set-up-reply-by-email-with-pop3-polling/14003
>
>
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 10:09 AM Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I think we need someone who understand how discourse works to make an
> informed decision.
>
> If the forum fills up with questions; and the developers are minding the
> email list - it will not work out so well :) At least as described.
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 6:58 AM Vicky Vergara <vicky at erosion.dev> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 11:43 AM Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Q: So if a mailing list is mirrored to discourse it operates similar to
> nabble used to? Is searchable etc …
>
> I don't know the details of how discourse works,
>
>
> But replies done via discourse are not sent to mailing list subscribers -
> so it is one way communication.
>
> https://meta.discourse.org/t/create-a-read-only-mailing-list-mirror/77990
>
>
> And the thinking here is that discourse is easier for people who want to
> ask a specific question without subscribing to a mailing list (and getting
> yet more email).
>
> Yes, so you can have the mirror in one category and another catergory for
> Q&A
>
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 9:07 AM Vicky Vergara <vicky at erosion.dev> wrote:
>
> Hi Jody
>
> We are offering options
>
> Before:
> Use mailing list
>
> After:
> * Use mailing list and see the archives only on https://lists.osgeo.org/
> * Use mailing list and see the archives also on discourse
> * Use discourse without a mailing list
>
>
> This are the possibilities regarding migration of mailing list
> * Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse example [1]  (Use
> discourse without a mailing list, but get previous conversations from
> mailing list)
> * Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse example [2] (Use mailing list
> and see the archives also on discourse)
> * Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list example [3] was
> created by Jody (Use discourse without a mailing list)
> * Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list example [4] (Use mailing
> list and see the archives only on https://lists.osgeo.org/)
>
> [1] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5
> [2] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13
> [3] https://discourse.osgeo.org/t/about-the-osgeo-site-feedback-category/1
> [4] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g2008loc/
>
> Regards
> Vicky
>
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 10:16 AM Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I was lurking in the sys admin chat as I was working on the osgeo sign up
> form. Mailing lists are not going away, but I am unclear at what is being
> offered.
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 8:01 AM Eli Adam <eadam at co.lincoln.or.us> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm also unclear on what is going on.  It looks like discourse options are
> being added.  This raises questions about mailing lists.  1. Are mailing
> lists going away?  2. Can projects choose to keep just the mailing list and
> not add dicourse?
>
> Thanks, Eli
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Discuss <discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> on behalf of Vicky
> Vergara via Discuss <discuss at lists.osgeo.org>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 26, 2023 9:52 PM
> *To:* OSGeo Discussions <discuss at lists.osgeo.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration
>
> Hi Jody,
>
> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 9:31 PM Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Vicky,
>
> Is there any more information on what is being offered here?
>
> I have not used discourse very much. What do you mean by having a category
> Can you be more clear about migrate and mirror.
>
>
> Category, is like the one you created about the discourse site feedback.
> Mirror, is a category that mirrors the mailing list, so the mails received
> on the mailing list are also shown on discourse.
> If you "reply" to those mails using discourse, they will not be shown on
> the mailing list, as the mirror does not send mails to the mailing list.
> The reply that will be shown is the one done using mail.
>
>
> Will the existing list of email subscribers be part of migrating a mailing
> list
>
>
> When migrating subscribers are also migrated and are "staged users", and
> they can log in using ldap, or github account.
> If the mail of their log in matches, the staged users get assigned to the
> person that logged in.
>
> Regards
> Vicky
>
>
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 1:07 PM Vicky Vergara via Discuss <
> discuss at lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
>
> Hello all
>
> We are ready to migrate mailing lists to discourse,
> * Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse
> * Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse
> * Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list
> * Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list
>
> A comprehensive list of mailing lists can be found here (not including
> private mailing lists):
> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo
>
> You need to open a ticket to have the work done.
> Follow the ticket examples below for the first 3 cases
>
> Regards
> Vicky Vergara
>
> Example: Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse:
>
> Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3064 (has link to ticket 3063)
> +
> Comment in Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3063
>
> Created the following discourse category
> https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5
> And the archives of the mailing list will not be removed:
> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-fr-user/
> Migration has finished so any new message to the list will not be received
> on discourse, but the list will be disabled for before the end of january.
> Mail on discourse: qgis-fr-user/@discourse.osgeo.org
>
> Example: Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse
> Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3062
> Created the following discourse category
> https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13
> The mailing list will not be removed, and it is a mirror to the mailing
> list
> emails continue to be sent to sac at lists.osgeo.org
> Replies can be done
>
> https://discourse.osgeo.org/t/re-osgeo-3062-import-sac-mailing-list-to-discourse/4747/2?u=cvvergara
> But they will no be reflected on the mailing list
> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/sac/2023-December/thread.html
>
> Example: of category without mailing list
> Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3066
> https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/osgeolive/osgeolive-docs/8
>
>
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